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Old 03-14-24, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Colour options tend to be limited today because there are so many more bike spec options compared with decades ago. So for any given bike spec it is usually only practical to offer it in one or two colour options. But I prefer having more bike spec options vs more colour options.
I have not been a big follower of bike industry trends, but did there used to be a lot color options? Not just model = frame spec + component level, and each model came in one color?
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I have not been a big follower of bike industry trends, but did there used to be a lot color options? Not just model = frame spec + component level, and each model came in one color?
I was thinking the same actually. From my fading memories of my local “pro” bike shop, I seem to recall there were more frame colours, but then most of their higher end bikes were built to order. So they would typically display a bunch of identical steel frames in a range of different colours. The more mainstream shops had very little choice of anything. I remember as a teenager in the mid eighties buying a metallic green Carlton Criterium. It was the only colour choice and there were no spec options other than frame size.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I have not been a big follower of bike industry trends, but did there used to be a lot color options? Not just model = frame spec + component level, and each model came in one color?
Yeah I'm of that same opinion too.

Manufacturers like Giant will only offer 1 color per model / trim. You buy it or you leave it. Consumers are stuck between choosing the color they want or the specs they want and that's BS, but that's their business model. Other manufacturers like Cervelo will offer 2 color options per model / trim.
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Originally Posted by eduskator
Yeah I'm of that same opinion too.

Manufacturers like Giant will only offer 1 color per model / trim. You buy it or you leave it. Consumers are stuck between choosing the color they want or the specs they want and that's BS, but that's their business model. Other manufacturers like Cervelo will offer 2 color options per model / trim.
The point was that there are often so many spec options today that it isn’t often practical to offer multiple colour choices as well. You might get 2 at the most and you are lucky if both options are actually in stock in the right size.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
I have not been a big follower of bike industry trends, but did there used to be a lot color options? Not just model = frame spec + component level, and each model came in one color?
As far back as I can remember, bikes came in one color per model, or maybe two at the most.
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Originally Posted by Fredo76
Two separate things:

That Trek intends to reduce the variety in their offerings.
And that so many bikes offered by bicycle companies these days lack color options, just as the 'Model T' did 100 years ago.

I like the fact that many Trek models are/were available in color.
Again, you haven't been to the Trek website in years if you think Trek bikes these days lack color.
Maybe you shouldn't have used Trek specifically?...that would help make your point a bit better, since some other brands have had more shades of black over the last 8ish years, but you getting thst wrong just further shows you are simply rambling to ramble.
You can call it a joke, but it wasnt funny because there was no punchline and the observation wasn't even accurate.


Sometimes it's good to keep trying because you improve with time and effort. In your case, I suggest you stop now and never try the joke/observation again.
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Offering entry-level and mid-level drop bar bikes in multiple color choices was easier back when manufacturers sold only three or four frame sizes per model.

Peugeot was probably an outlier in the 1970's, offering the UO-8 in (according to fading memory) white, black, blue, green, yellow, orange, and (slightly later, maybe) silver. Purple, too? Can't remember.
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Originally Posted by Mojo31
As far back as I can remember, bikes came in one color per model, or maybe two at the most.
Yep.
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This thread has strayed far from it's beginning. The latest info on the hookless rim situation now says that the wheel hit something hard enough to break it.


https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zip...e-gendt-crash/

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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
This thread has strayed far from it's beginning. The latest info on the hookless rim situation now says that the wheel hit something hard enough to break it.


https://www.cyclingnews.com/news/zip...e-gendt-crash/
Well that ends the debate about hook/hookless, carbon/steel, paint colors, and waxing.
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Thomas De Gendt no fan of significant impacts that destroy the structure of a rim ...

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Good thing. As I always say, lets not draw conclusions prematurely.
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Originally Posted by DaveSSS
This thread has strayed far from it's beginning. The latest info on the hookless rim situation now says that the wheel hit something hard enough to break it.


Yeah, that's a broken rim all right. Still no evidence if it happened before or after the tire dismounted.

Either way, hookless is still dumb.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse


Yeah, that's a broken rim all right. Still no evidence if it happened before or after the tire dismounted.

Either way, hookless is still dumb.
I'm not a follower of racing so I don't know the whos and the whys of bicycle racing, but is there any video of this crash? I would imagine a rock strike hard enough to do that kind of damage, there would almost have to be some kind of evidence on video.

I've hit rocks hard enough to flatten a tire and ding an aluminum rim and that's been enough to bounce me off the seat.
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Originally Posted by VegasJen
I'm not a follower of racing so I don't know the whos and the whys of bicycle racing, but is there any video of this crash? I would imagine a rock strike hard enough to do that kind of damage, there would almost have to be some kind of evidence on video.
Look on Youtube.
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Tubulars for the win. De Gent might have flatted (not a given) but the roll to a stop would have been boring. Especially with disc brakes that don't need the rim to be in good shape. (This is why I went back to tubulars. I never want to do a De Gent again.)
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Tubulars for the win. De Gent might have flatted (not a given) but the roll to a stop would have been boring. Especially with disc brakes that don't need the rim to be in good shape. (This is why I went back to tubulars. I never want to do a De Gent again.)
If you hit something hard enough to break your front rim, I don't think using tubulars will guarantee you don't crash.
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Originally Posted by 79pmooney
Tubulars for the win. De Gent might have flatted (not a given) but the roll to a stop would have been boring. Especially with disc brakes that don't need the rim to be in good shape. (This is why I went back to tubulars. I never want to do a De Gent again.)
Didn't you once suffer a catastrophic crash thanks to damage to a tubular rim?
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
Look on Youtube.
Found it:

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Originally Posted by terrymorse
Found it:

Mystery Crash
It looks like the clip of the crash starts with him already in trouble.
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Zipp released pics of the rim. It was toast.
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Originally Posted by genejockey
It looks like the clip of the crash starts with him already in trouble.
He looked to be off the road, but on the shoulder, up against the inside guardrail. Would be completely foreseeable to hit a rock, chunk of pavement, or a hole in the edge of the pavement surface. The speed at which he went down, suddenly, indicates an impact. Tire blowing off would likely give some roll out before losing control.
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Originally Posted by tomato coupe
If you hit something hard enough to break your front rim, I don't think using tubulars will guarantee you don't crash.
I put an inch deep dent in a tubular rim once. Tire didn't flat and I just bumped on home.
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Originally Posted by Trakhak
Didn't you once suffer a catastrophic crash thanks to damage to a tubular rim?
Not tubular. I did a collarbone, ribs and trashed helmet with clinchers.
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