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If you have the following components to build, what frame will you choose?

Old 06-10-24, 03:42 AM
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If you have the following components to build, what frame will you choose?

My current bike frame cracked, so I am considering a new one.
Currently, I have Ultegra Di2 12 speed groupset and Reserve Wheels 52/63.
You may know my focus on aeroness from my wheels, and yes.
But anyway, I guess the final weight will be around 7.5kg and that does not matter much for a weekend warrior.
I suppose saddle is not very important here.
My list is
  • Factor Ostro VAM 2.0 (Black Inc. provided)
  • Scott Foil (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem not incl.)
  • Giant Propel (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem not incl.)
  • Trek Madone (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem incl.)
  • Cannondale SuperSix Hi-Mod
  • Colnago V4RS
  • Wilier Filante
Specialized is not quite reachable here.
If you have any better choices, please let me know.
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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
My current bike frame cracked, so I am considering a new one.
Currently, I have Ultegra Di2 12 speed groupset and Reserve Wheels 52/63.
You may know my focus on aeroness from my wheels, and yes.
But anyway, I guess the final weight will be around 7.5kg and that does not matter much for a weekend warrior.
I suppose saddle is not very important here.
My list is
  • Factor Ostro VAM 2.0 (Black Inc. provided)
  • Scott Foil (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem not incl.)
  • Giant Propel (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem not incl.)
  • Trek Madone (Proprietary Handlebar/Stem incl.)
  • Cannondale SuperSix Hi-Mod
  • Colnago V4RS
  • Wilier Filante
Specialized is not quite reachable here.
If you have any better choices, please let me know.
My choice out of that list in order of preference:-

1. Ostro VAM - because they are quite rare, cool graphics and Factor are a legit composite manufacturer.

2. Cannondale SS - I like the slightly less aggressive race geometry and I quite like Cannondale as a brand.

3. Colnago V4RS - Cool name

4. Wilier Filante - Another cool name

5. Scott Foil - meh

6. Giant Propel - meh again

7. Trek Madone - Not a fan of Trek branding or style. Iím sure itís a good bike if you like them.
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Maybe throw a Time Scylon onto your list as well.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
My choice out of that list in order of preference:-

1. Ostro VAM - because they are quite rare, cool graphics and Factor are a legit composite manufacturer.

2. Cannondale SS - I like the slightly less aggressive race geometry and I quite like Cannondale as a brand.

3. Colnago V4RS - Cool name

4. Wilier Filante - Another cool name

5. Scott Foil - meh

6. Giant Propel - meh again

7. Trek Madone - Not a fan of Trek branding or style. I’m sure it’s a good bike if you like them.
Thanks. I am almost the same order as you.
But when I take price tags into consideration, Factor Ostro VAM 2.0 is too expensive, and so does Colnago V4RS.
Cannondale SuperSix Hi-Mod is not available to be individually ordered. According to my LBS, Cannondale only accepts orders once for a while here.
I suppose I will consider Wilier Filante seriously (for this moment), and Filante SL is about 40% cheaper than SLR but only 150g heavier. Who cares 150g...
But keep looking around though

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Originally Posted by Sy Reene
Maybe throw a Time Scylon onto your list as well.
Oh, I am sorry that only ALPE DíHUEZ is available at my place.
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The Orbea Orca Aero is available as a frameset.
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Also Look 795 Blade RS should be on this list.

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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
Thanks. I am almost the same order as you.
But when I take price tags into consideration, Factor Ostro VAM 2.0 is too expensive, and so does Colnago V4RS.
Cannondale SuperSix Hi-Mod is not available to be individually ordered. According to my LBS, Cannondale only accepts orders once for a while here.
I suppose I will consider Wilier Filante seriously (for this moment), and Filante SL is about 40% cheaper than SLR but only 150g heavier. Who cares 150g...
But keep looking around though
If some of these were never in the running, as a result of either availability or price, why are you cluttering up the list with them?
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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
I suppose I will consider Wilier Filante seriously (for this moment), and Filante SL is about 40% cheaper than SLR but only 150g heavier. Who cares 150g...
Yeah, thatís the ultimate in diminishing returns for the SLR. I would save the 40% and haul the extra 150g around.
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assuming all of the frames are in your price range, I would choose the frame that has the stack and reach numbers that I want in order to comfortably ride the bike. After that, I would prioritize trail number since that will have a huge influence in how the bike feels when riding during slower speed climbs, higher speed descents, and turning.

if you still have multiple frame options to consider, even after the fit and geometry are considered, buy the one that looks coolest.
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Running 12sp, seems to me your cracked frame hails from a newer generation.
Maybe a warranty in the works? Unless you munched it in an unfortunate accident.
I like the Super Six. Gosh, Cannondale sure altered their builds. They sell some framesets online.
You could save a few bucks by skipping the Hi-mod version. The weight difference amounts to mere ounces.
Canyon offers some nice framesets, but seems they like selling complete bikes.
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Originally Posted by 13ollocks
If some of these were never in the running, as a result of either availability or price, why are you cluttering up the list with them?
Factor and Colnago are surely too expensive, but they are still in my price range. And SuperSix is hard to get, but not impossible. Just got to wait until next Feb. or Mar.
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
Running 12sp, seems to me your cracked frame hails from a newer generation.
Maybe a warranty in the works? Unless you munched it in an unfortunate accident.
I like the Super Six. Gosh, Cannondale sure altered their builds. They sell some framesets online.
You could save a few bucks by skipping the Hi-mod version. The weight difference amounts to mere ounces.
Canyon offers some nice framesets, but seems they like selling complete bikes.
Yeah, a stupid accident caused it. I am fine but the bike is dead.
Officially, I only see Cannondale providing Hi-Mod as a frameset. LAB71 will a stupid buy. And I tend to buy a new one from my LBS as they have good service, so maybe Hi-Mod only if I choose SuperSix.
Canyon is out of my LBS's range, and bike fit means I need long stem (for the integrated handle) which Canyon does not provide...
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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
Factor and Colnago are surely too expensive, but they are still in my price range.
So which is it -- are they in your price range or are they too expensive?
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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
Yeah, a stupid accident caused it. I am fine but the bike is dead.
Officially, I only see Cannondale providing Hi-Mod as a frameset. LAB71 will a stupid buy. And I tend to buy a new one from my LBS as they have good service, so maybe Hi-Mod only if I choose SuperSix.
Canyon is out of my LBS's range, and bike fit means I need long stem (for the integrated handle) which Canyon does not provide...
Yeah LAB71 pricing is ridiculous. The pro teams didnít even get them. I donít think Hi-Mod is worth the extra cost either, but looks like you donít get a choice on a frameset purchase. But it means you get a very nice top tier frame by default rather than having to make an irrational decision to buy it over the perfectly adequate standard frame 😂

How about a Look frameset as someone suggested earlier? Classy and well suited to a frame-up build.
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Originally Posted by roadcrankr
Running 12sp, seems to me your cracked frame hails from a newer generation.
Maybe a warranty in the works? Unless you munched it in an unfortunate accident.
I like the Super Six. Gosh, Cannondale sure altered their builds. They sell some framesets online.
You could save a few bucks by skipping the Hi-mod version. The weight difference amounts to mere ounces.
Canyon offers some nice framesets, but seems they like selling complete bikes.
Is Hi-Mod supposed to be lighter at same (torsional) stiffness, or stiffer at same weight? If mod means elastic modulus, I'm gonna take a wild guess that it's the latter, but it could be a stiffer layup per unit weight, so lighter.
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Originally Posted by nyohohoho
Oh, I am sorry that only ALPE DíHUEZ is available at my place.
This would be my choice... frame for lifetime.

For me personally, my personal opinion - aero bikes are over rated for us typical people - again, my personal opinion.

And my other personal opinion - the Time ADH is one of the best all around bikes made.
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Originally Posted by Duragrouch
Is Hi-Mod supposed to be lighter at same (torsional) stiffness, or stiffer at same weight? If mod means elastic modulus, I'm gonna take a wild guess that it's the latter, but it could be a stiffer layup per unit weight, so lighter.
It effectively means both, but you are right in that the increase in stiffness is likely to be much more significant than the reduction in weight. But it also depends on the layup design to a large extent. Comparing frame weights is quite easy (they are usually published and easily measured), but comparing torsional stiffness is much more difficult and manufacturers donít often provide much (if any) objective information. The best you might get is a claimed percentage difference in torsional stiffness, but AFAIK there are no standard test methods.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
This would be my choice... frame for lifetime.

For me personally, my personal opinion - aero bikes are over rated for us typical people - again, my personal opinion.

And my other personal opinion - the Time ADH is one of the best all around bikes made.
Just to play devilís advocate (as I really like the Time AdH) itís actually climbing bikes that are over-rated in terms of their performance in most situations. Now that modern aero bikes are also pretty comfortable and not much heavier, there is little reason to compromise on aero for the sake of a few grams.
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So which is it -- are they in your price range or are they too expensive?
Sorry for my poor English.
I just wanted to say that they are more expensive than other options.
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Originally Posted by PeteHski
Just to play devilís advocate (as I really like the Time AdH) itís actually climbing bikes that are over-rated in terms of their performance in most situations. Now that modern aero bikes are also pretty comfortable and not much heavier, there is little reason to compromise on aero for the sake of a few grams.
Understood.

The way I think of it, for us mortals - a few grams here, a few watts there - won't make hardly any difference in our riding. If you like and want a pure climber, if you like and want a pure aero bike... fully understood and have at it

When I do actually spend the big $$$$ on the trophy bike - I just want quality. Not saying the other bikes aren't quality - it's just my opinion that Time is in a league with a few other bikes and that raw carbon finish, with all of that quality on display - is just a thing of beauty.
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Yeah LAB71 pricing is ridiculous. The pro teams didnít even get them. I donít think Hi-Mod is worth the extra cost either, but looks like you donít get a choice on a frameset purchase. But it means you get a very nice top tier frame by default rather than having to make an irrational decision to buy it over the perfectly adequate standard frame 😂

How about a Look frameset as someone suggested earlier? Classy and well suited to a frame-up build.
Look 795 Blade 2 RS is cool. I actually saw one at my LBS. But it is 25% more expensive than SuperSix Hi-Mod. On the other hand, it's cost almost the same as Factor here, but while Factor comes with a Black Inc integrated cockpit, Look gives separated one. Don't know which one is better, but current trend drags me to integrated one. Not to mention I think Factor does better paintjob. That being said, it will not be my top choice.
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Look 795 Blade 2 RS is cool. I actually saw one at my LBS. But it is 25% more expensive than SuperSix Hi-Mod. On the other hand, it's cost almost the same as Factor here, but while Factor comes with a Black Inc integrated cockpit, Look gives separated one. Don't know which one is better, but current trend drags me to integrated one. Not to mention I think Factor does better paintjob. That being said, it will not be my top choice.
IMHO - Look is also one of the best bikes on the market.
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Originally Posted by Jughed
Understood.

The way I think of it, for us mortals - a few grams here, a few watts there - won't make hardly any difference in our riding. If you like and want a pure climber, if you like and want a pure aero bike... fully understood and have at it

When I do actually spend the big $$$$ on the trophy bike - I just want quality. Not saying the other bikes aren't quality - it's just my opinion that Time is in a league with a few other bikes and that raw carbon finish, with all of that quality on display - is just a thing of beauty.
Agreed.
But how do you know which one is more quality? I can only tell this from other people's story. Also, I found that I somewhat care about warranty service. For example, I read that Scott would throw you to their legal department and let you fight with them until you give up. That freaked me out... Definitely a reason for me to rule their bikes out, but I like the new Foil and pricing is reasonable. What can I do!
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IMHO - Look is also one of the best bikes on the market.
I hope they provide a cheaper option without the separated cockpit. I am sorry that it is the desire for an integrated cockpit holding me back.
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