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berny 02-12-06 02:49 AM

Had a bad-ish w/e, sort of. Went the wrong way in race #2 satdy sailing, (DOH!) necessitating a major recovery from second last, and DNS'd the third with a frayed mainsheet.

Today I was going well and feeling pretty strong racing with the Waratahs at E/Crk raceway, till the bell lap when my fargin freewheel $#!+ itself. :( bugga!

How's this? Guy in our grade doing well with several wins and places brings his 30+yo son along last week to join in the fun. He's got the classic physique, and's riding a full carbon Giant. They start him in 'E' **********? cause they don't know how he'll go, (I could have told them) and he wins easily going away so he gets put up. Today he wins the prime and runs second o/all after pulling all freekin day like it's no trouble at all. I mean, don't tell me his old man didn't know given they train together. I'm bloody sick of burglars turning up each week and steeling the dosh. At Penrith they let a guy win easily three times from the get go in 'E', put him up to 'D' where he's won both starts and dragged 'D' passed 'C' last week to do it.
WTF are the h/cappers doing?

climbo 02-12-06 03:49 AM

no backing out now ....

Hi Brendan

Congratulations. Your registration for entry to the Dirt Works 100km Classic was successful.

:)

jock 02-12-06 04:29 AM

Enjoy the pain! :D

jock 02-12-06 04:37 AM


Originally Posted by berny
Na, she recons older folk get big muscles from using it but we didn't discuss it seriously cause she knows I don't like taking stuff.

Hmmm... never read that anywhere on the world wide web of lies. I always thought creatine was supposed to assist in the production of ATP. Isn't testosterone the major contributor to muscle development in males, which is why sarcopenia exists in older guys.

Ed, there's only a couple of ways to get bug muscles right? Either inherit a predisposition for them and load them up so that they get/stay that way, or add anabolic steroids to your diet and load them up so that they get/stay that way.

thunder 02-12-06 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by jock
Hmmm... never read that anywhere on the world wide web of lies. I always thought creatine was supposed to assist in the production of ATP. Isn't testosterone the major contributor to muscle development in males, which is why sarcopenia exists in older guys.

Ed, there's only a couple of ways to get bug muscles right? Either inherit a predisposition for them and load them up so that they get/stay that way, or add anabolic steroids to your diet and load them up so that they get/stay that way.

you can get big even with a skinny structure/fast metabolism. Just eat train eat train. Takes longer and your potential is less, but what is "bug (big) muscles" anyhow, 6 foot 100 kg under 10% body fat. Most skinny blokes could accomplish that training well with correct nutrition after a few years. Not easy. But attainable.

climbo 02-12-06 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by 62vette
Wait till the Mormons get hold of Expat?

The funniest thing I have ever heard on the radio was the student radio station in Auckland reading out a guide given out to fresh off the plane Mormon missionary boys (you know the fresh faced door knocking lads with Utah accents that visit every now and then) to help them keep themselves "pure" whilst away from home. i.e. How to avoid w@nking or worse.

Handy tips extended to tying the action arm to ones side or even wearing a wetsuit to bed so as to keep from choking the chicken.

Larf, I had to stop the car and try not to wee myself it was so cackingly funny :roflmao:

classic !!!

wetsuit to bed, that'd be comfortable - NOT !!!

HDTVKSS 02-12-06 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by climbo
no backing out now ....

Hi Brendan

Congratulations. Your registration for entry to the Dirt Works 100km Classic was successful.

:)

you doing it SS? get ready for those hills...... :eek:

climbo 02-12-06 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by HDTVKSS
you doing it SS? get ready for those hills...... :eek:

yep, you coming ?

jock 02-12-06 05:08 PM

Berny, after trolling through a few articles on creatine this is as close as I could find to creatine assisting with building muscle mass:

"Many body builders are convinced that creatine has helped them "bulk up" when used while they weight lift. There may be some truth to this as studies have shown that there is an increase in fluid within the muscle cells of creatine users. This does in fact increase muscle mass and bulk."

So it appears to be cosmetic at best.

Unless you read the bodybuilding pages, where you'll find a couple of articles that reckon it helps to build fast-twitch fibres. In reality fast twitch fibres have to be 'trained' to grow through specific excercises (especially in genetic groups with a predisposition for slow twitch fibre make-up in the muscles), so I don't put much faith in what they have to say.

ed073 02-12-06 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by jock
Oh geez, you guys are such ....



THAT'S GOLD.

HDTVKSS 02-12-06 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by climbo
yep, you coming ?

still convincing myself if its worth the cash or not. also, the guy i normally ride with isnt v fit and has an allergic reaction to gravity and its effect on upward travel. so, may do the 50 if he can be convinced if hes going to sit it out ill probably do the 100.

BTW, is anyone riding ourimbah this weekend that needs a 3rd wheel ? need to get up there and have a look before the start of the season up there as its been 6 months or so since ive ridden there. if anyone is going and doesnt mind me tagging along i wouldnt mind joining you

climbo 02-12-06 07:07 PM

There's a few of us from the coast area going down for it, you're welcome to join our posse.

and I won't be riding Ourimbah this weekend, another time...

thunder 02-12-06 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by jock
Berny, after trolling through a few articles on creatine this is as close as I could find to creatine assisting with building muscle mass:

"Many body builders are convinced that creatine has helped them "bulk up" when used while they weight lift. There may be some truth to this as studies have shown that there is an increase in fluid within the muscle cells of creatine users. This does in fact increase muscle mass and bulk."

So it appears to be cosmetic at best.

Unless you read the bodybuilding pages, where you'll find a couple of articles that reckon it helps to build fast-twitch fibres. In reality fast twitch fibres have to be 'trained' to grow through specific excercises (especially in genetic groups with a predisposition for slow twitch fibre make-up in the muscles), so I don't put much faith in what they have to say.

I suggest it may if it can increase ATP and you get an extra 2 reps out at you max, for a set lift. Going from 8 to 10 reps, must mean increased intensity. So, indirectly, you add muscle to compensate for the new intensity. This assumes the "creatine itself" does not assume all those benefits of intensity, ie. nothing has actually changed to the stress on the muscle, the creatine does it, and gives the benefit, and it is the same relative stress.

Ambiguous and poorly explained.
:rolleyes:

climbo 02-12-06 07:36 PM

search "creatine" in the training forum, there'll be heaps of stuff on it.

jock 02-12-06 07:36 PM

Aww C'mon thunder. It'll take me years to unravel what you were trying to get at there! How am I supposed to be a naysayer if I've got nothing to argue against? :eek:

Spose at the end of the day it would seem that noone really knows for sure yet. It occurs naturally in your diet anyway. So until I see repeatable positive proof of benefit, and no evidence of adverse sidies I won't be paying $20 per kg for the stuff unless its in the form of a big juicy steak.

531Aussie 02-12-06 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by berny
How's this? Guy in our grade doing well with several wins and places brings his 30+yo son along last week to join in the fun. He's got the classic physique, and's riding a full carbon Giant. They start him in 'E' **********? cause they don't know how he'll go, (I could have told them) and he wins easily going away so he gets put up.

I'm bloody sick of burglars turning up each week and steeling the dosh. At Penrith they let a guy win easily three times from the get go in 'E', put him up to 'D' where he's won both starts and dragged 'D' passed 'C' last week to do it.

WTF are the h/cappers doing?

i said to the guys at the Vets that there should be a rule that guys can't win their first race unless it's A grade, :) but he said that guys like that get 'figured out', and everyone will think they're a prick for the rest of their time at the club.

jock 02-12-06 07:57 PM

U had a win yet Ozman? You must've had 4 or five races by now

531Aussie 02-12-06 08:00 PM


Originally Posted by jock
U had a win yet Ozman? You must've had 4 or five races by now

nah :(.
grand total of 4 races. I still can't get my fat guts out of the corners quick enough :p

I reckon I'm kidding meself riding A grade vets at 91kg!!!

and I still haven't figured out how to warm up properly -- I never feel as good in a race as I do on Beach Rd

jock 02-12-06 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by 531Aussie
nah :(.
grand total of 4 races. I still can't get my fat guts out of the corners quick enough :p

I reckon I'm kidding meself riding A grade vets at 91kg!!!

and I still ahven't figured out how to warm up properly -- I never feel as good in a race as I do on Beach Rd

There's a big difference between racing and rolling along at a relatively constant pace on Beach Rd. That's where overall strength and fitness come into play: those who eat a steady diet of intervals will survive the constant surges the best.

As for warming up, I can't perform at my best in a crit without doing about an hour's worth of warm up. Half hour spinning along, then little hills for 15 mins to load up the legs, a couple of short sub-max efforts, then 10 mins rolling. Seems to do the trick for me.

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531Aussie 02-12-06 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by jock
There's a big difference between racing and rolling along at a relatively constant pace on Beach Rd. That's where overall strength and fitness come into play: those who eat a steady diet of intervals will survive the constant surges the best.

As for warming up, I can't perform at my best in a crit without doing about an hour's worth of warm up. Half hour spinning along, then little hills for 15 mins to load up the legs, a couple of short sub-max efforts, then 10 mins rolling. Seems to do the trick for me.

yeah, the constant sprinting out of EVERY corner, lap after lap, just fkn kills me.

That sounds like the perfect warmup :)

climbo 02-12-06 08:27 PM

Exy - I hope you got yours with the extra wide shiny alloys and the mega stereo in the back :)

badsac 02-12-06 08:32 PM

Fark me Repat. That's ugly! :eek:

Went over the handlebars of a bike for the first time in my life yesterday. Breaking my over the bars cherry at 33 isn't probably the best way of doing it as it scared the living ****e out of me. As soon as I saw my front wheel go into the big farking hole some prick had dug in the middle of the track around a corner I thought "please don't break your neck, please don't break your neck". Spitting blood all the way home I thought I'd punched my spine through my throat. Went to the hospital and all is well thankfully. Just look even uglier than normal now. ;)

How can you tell if you've bent your forks a bit? They still seem to go up and down alright. Hopefully 32mm forks take a bit more than that to bend?

Brian 02-12-06 08:34 PM

They come with a 160watt stereo. Now I just need some 21 inch spinners and a few flat TV screens. You watch too much Pimp My Ride. :D

Brian 02-12-06 08:35 PM

Saccy, your forks are fine. Learn how to crash though. I can tuck and roll with finesse, as I've done it thousands of times...

climbo 02-12-06 08:36 PM

saccy, you poor bugger, it hurts when you get old ! Hole dug out of the track? You mean a hole hole, not an obstacle you are supposed to negotiate? :)

It would probably bend at the crown if anything, does it turn left and right OK?

badsac 02-12-06 08:42 PM


Originally Posted by Expatriate
Saccy, your forks are fine. Learn how to crash though. I can tuck and roll with finesse, as I've done it thousands of times...

Nah, I'm usually a fantastic crasher. Came from years of practice riding enduro bikes. Don't really know what happened. It was after doing 90 minutes of a local XC loop. Decided to go home a different way through thick trees that was a bit overgrown, that I hadn't been down in years. Combination of not paying attention and not expecting a hole to be there I guess. I was wondering why I didn't try and manual the front wheel over it, but I think I only worked out it was a hole to late. It had grass growing out of it so it'd been there for a fair while. Probably a nice little obstacle if you knew it was there, thanks climbo. ;)

Bike seemed to ride home okay. I was paying more attention to myself than the bike. Everything looks fine though.

climbo 02-12-06 08:53 PM

shoulda had the docs throw the fork in the x-ray machine when they did your melon :D

any scars?

Odin 02-12-06 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by 531Aussie
yeah, the constant sprinting out of EVERY corner, lap after lap, just fkn kills me.

...

Yeah, no amount of warning or reading/hearing about it could've prepared me for how hard it is.
Which Vets are you with? Have you ridden at METEC (Kilsyth)? 8 bloody corners!!

531Aussie 02-12-06 09:02 PM


Originally Posted by Odin
Yeah, no amount of warning or reading/hearing about it could've prepared me for how hard it is. Which Vets are you with? Have you ridden at METEC (Kilsyth)? 8 bloody corners!!

Southern Vets.

the whole reason I went there was becasue I thought Sandown had no slow corners!! It's much better that a short course, but there's still bloody corners, and a bit of hill out the back!!

Great course, though: no gutters, grass on each side on the road, a pit lane.....cool!!

sounds like I won't be going to METEC :)


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