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Road Cycling It is by riding a bicycle that you learn the contours of a country best, since you have to sweat up the hills and coast down them. Thus you remember them as they actually are, while in a motor car only a high hill impresses you, and you have no such accurate remembrance of country you have driven through as you gain by riding a bicycle. -- Ernest Hemingway

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Old 09-13-05, 11:35 PM   #1
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Got hit by a car. Again.

Second time this year. Most of you probably wouldn't remember...but this May I got hit by a car the same day I bought my bike. Anyway, that case was very unsuccesful, and I wasn't able to get compensated for the bike/damages.

Anyway, tonight...I got hit by a car. Luckily, it was a sedan. I rolled over the car's hood, and was thrown to the ground. This time, the frame got very dented. It's done for. The worst part was that this bike was the same one that had gotten hit last time, except that I got some wheels for it last week from Mike Garcia (oddsandendos). They're also toast.

WHY DO I HAVE SUCH BAD LUCK???????
These small town drivers can't drive worth a damn. I'm furious.
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So, (assuming the driver was at fault) did you do anything better this time to increase your chances of getting properly taken care of?
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Old 09-14-05, 12:27 AM   #3
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Actually called the cops this time (to have police report AT THE SCENE), have witnesses, and went to the hospital to get taken care of.
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Details on what happened?

I've been in one accident. Was technically other driver's fault, but I guess her view was obstructed by trucks or somthing. I've learned to be much more careful in the bike lane, when other traffic is stopped. Going up the left or between lanes is usually a better idea, IMO.
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sorry to hear that , good luck with the recovery
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twice in one year is very unlucky, or else your just not a defensive rider. Really I would lean toward the defensive rider. Man you just have to watch out for the idiots, and expect the unexpected.

Sorry for your get off. Hope it works out.
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Actually called the cops this time (to have police report AT THE SCENE), have witnesses, and went to the hospital to get taken care of.
Where you're riding sounds kind of dangerous. Maybe you should rethink your bike route.

As long as you were obeying traffic laws, hopefully the driver will be responsible for yourbike, time off work, and medical expenses. You may want to consider getting yourself an attorney. For accidents, they will often work on a "contingency" basis, meaning that you only pay them if they win, and then, only a percentage of the amount they recover for you--but that is usually as much as 1/3 to even 1/2 of the settlement amount.

I've had a few accidents with cars while on my bike--unfortunately they were all parked at the time.
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I was heading East on bike lane. He was turning left going south, as seen on the pic below...
We were the only ones on this part of the road. I can't possibly think how the guy wasn't able to see me.



I'm from Brooklyn, NY. I go to school (UND) here in this sh#thole, and the only reason is because this is probably the best aviation college in the country. Who would've thought that this wasteland would have something valuable.

I'll tell you this much... This is a small city of 50,000 people. I feel safer riding in Manhattan, honestly, than I do here. It's ridiculous because these people aren't used to pedestrians and cyclists.
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AngelT, you weren't riding anything that marked you as a Brooklynite, a NY'er or a person of color, were you? Cuz you know how they is out in the heartland...

j/k, I'm from Brooklyn too. Sorry to hear about your accident, but basically it sounds like the drivers out there put blindfolds on and use the force to drive.
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Seriously AngelT..you MUST ride like you're INVISIBLE.
Cyclists get hit because they rely on the motorist.
I've gotten hit and I know I wasn't invisible nor was I riding like it. It was intentional. Anyone who relys on motorists not to hit them give up control over their own lives.
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Old 09-14-05, 08:43 AM   #13
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Luckily, it was a sedan.
What's lucky about that?
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Old 09-14-05, 08:48 AM   #14
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What's lucky about that?
If it would've been an SUV, I would probably be toast in the hospital right now.
The fact that it was a sedan helped because I rolled over the hood, onto the ground.

Yeah guys...the deal w/ drivers here is that they're not aware of their surroundings...and I know that. But the problem here was that the guy was motionless (as in yielding to me) and I don't see how he was yielding to anyone else, because there was absolutely no car behind me or ahead of me.
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I don't know if it will help, but you might want to try red gloves. When you're coming up on the situation you illustrated, it's really worth it to ease up a pedal stroke or two and wave at the driver with your birght gloves. I can't count the number of times that this little extra effort has stopped a car or truck for cutting me off...even happened once yesterday.
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North Dakota makes sense for an aviation school.
I mean, if you fail your practical test, you're not going to hit much.

OK, as for the sedan/bike confrontation, based on the evidence: though the driver was at fault, that doesn't guarantee you anything. Insteaed, you have to anticipate the un-anticipatable. That means developing that sixth sense that spots trouble in advance.
It's just something that comes with a lot of time in the saddle.

Also, the driving in Manhattan is vastly different from North Dakota, to say nothing of the drivers.

Let me ask a question that's sure to cause some grief: how many accidents have you had as a driver?
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I was heading East on bike lane. He was turning left going south, as seen on the pic below...
We were the only ones on this part of the road. I can't possibly think how the guy wasn't able to see me.
I have about 100,000 miles motorcycle riding experience, combined with about 4000 miles on bicycles. I can tell you that most cars cannot see you especially when you are coming at them. From the side, or even a 45 degree they can see better, but not head on.

I treat every car that is turning into my path as if they cannot see me. Even with a 55 watt dual beam headlight on my motorcycle they will turn in front of me.

Another thing is that you are such a small target and they cannot tell how fast you are going. It could be 10 mph or 25 and they cannot tell. So they thing they have enough room and BAM you get it.

My advice is to start Driving Defensively and always look for a way out. This will save you more than expecting the driver to yield to you.
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I like the red gloves idea ... especially with waving. Cars oncoming and making the left turn as well as those who would like to make a "T" with me by thundering through the bike path (the stop sign is before the bike path, of course, but they prefer to stop in the bike path or just beyond) are my major car concerns. My dazzling 'happy to be outside toodling about' smile isn't catching their eye ... Ooh! plus I get to go shopping!

Edit: Sorry, I forgot to ask how you're feeling? I AM sorry about your crash and hope you heal well. Take it easy, and hopefully you'll be back on a new bike soon ...

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I was heading East on bike lane. He was turning left going south, as seen on the pic below...
We were the only ones on this part of the road. I can't possibly think how the guy wasn't able to see me.



I'm from Brooklyn, NY. I go to school (UND) here in this sh#thole, and the only reason is because this is probably the best aviation college in the country. Who would've thought that this wasteland would have something valuable.

I'll tell you this much... This is a small city of 50,000 people. I feel safer riding in Manhattan, honestly, than I do here. It's ridiculous because these people aren't used to pedestrians and cyclists.
Has the driver's insurance company made a determination of fault yet? The reason I ask is that, technically, YOU hit the car that turned in front of you (unless I am missing something in the story), although it is still the driver's fault for not yielding to oncoming traffic. If the driver's insurance hasn't made a determination yet, be prepared for them to start f*#%ing you over. It may be a good idea to get an attorney.

Make sure that you have a full account of the property damage you suffered. The insurance company is ENTITLED to provide you with 'like kind and condition,' meaning that you are entitled to recieve, from the insurance company, your old bike + wheels + helmet, clothes, etc. back. Of course, this is all going to be new stuff, but if their settlement offer doesn't allow you to replace everything you've lost with the same stuff you had before, don't take it.

As for the medical, don't settle that until at least six months down the road. A good rule of thumb is 300% of the cost of your medical bills. So, 100% for the medical bills, 100% for your attorney, and 100% for you (pain & suffering) plus whatever your lost wages end up being.

Good luck. It would be a good idea to get an attorney.
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I don't know if it will help, but you might want to try red gloves. When you're coming up on the situation you illustrated, it's really worth it to ease up a pedal stroke or two and wave at the driver with your birght gloves. I can't count the number of times that this little extra effort has stopped a car or truck for cutting me off...even happened once yesterday.
The waving is a good one, in fact best is to point a finger straight at the driver - the way state troopers do it - , then point straight ahead, this tells the driver that you are going first, but keep pedalling at a good cadence. Lowering down the cadence may signal that you are slowing down and the driver will take a chance and cut you off.

Then remember to nod of wave a thank once you pass the driver
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I was heading East on bike lane. He was turning left going south, as seen on the pic below...
We were the only ones on this part of the road. I can't possibly think how the guy wasn't able to see me.


That is the exact way my last crash happened the lady never once looked foward she was so focused on making the left turn into a driveway that she never saw me. The only time she did see me was when I went over her hood....
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Has the driver's insurance company made a determination of fault yet? The reason I ask is that, technically, YOU hit the car that turned in front of you (unless I am missing something in the story), although it is still the driver's fault for not yielding to oncoming traffic. If the driver's insurance hasn't made a determination yet, be prepared for them to start f*#%ing you over. It may be a good idea to get an attorney.

Good luck. It would be a good idea to get an attorney.

No, technically a left turning motorist has to yield ROW to any oncoming traffic... no matter what.

This is a classic left hook move that also catches motorcyclists too often.
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I'd like to clarify that the car never turned in front of me. He hit me directly from the SIDE. I DID NOT RUN into him.

I put some flyers around campus though, and amazingly, I got a phone call from the girl that saw it happen. So that's great. The insurance company called me today, and told me to not worry abou the medical costs because under the ND no-fault law, the insurance company MUST pay for these bills. Hopefully, my bike will get recovered.
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I know you#re thinking 'How couldn't he see me?'. But I was thinking, 'How couldn't you see him?'

In these situations, where I see some jerk isn't going to do what he is supposed to, I slam on my brakes at the last moment so as to stop right before him, then I slap his car with an open palm. I don't want to dent his car, but slapping it makes a nice loud noise and they THINK I have messed up their precious cage.

Maybe the next time they'll not cut off a bicyclist.
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Oops, just noticed your post #24. I guess my advice is irrelevant for this situation. Sorry I didn't read more carefully.
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