I saw it today... the GMC Denali
07-21-06, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by clifrockh
I have been in this forum for about 10 minutes and I already remember why road biking is NOT a mainstream sport in the US. It's because there is an overwhelming undercurrent in this community that screams "I'M BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU'RE TOO STUPID TO REALIZE IT". That's why kids go thru 3 and 4 MOUNTAIN bikes from Walmart in their youth and could care less about going faster on a roadbike. They simply don't want to be associated with the kind of pompous, arrogant, a**hole mentality that radiates from so many of you guys. Your attitudes make me and many others not want to become road cyclists. I pray to GOD that I never look upon other people this way. You should embrace these people into your sport, because you will die sooner or later and if you want the sport to have a real future, a future that includes growth and more mainstream sponsors and more money and , God forbid advertising, YOU WILL NEED NEW RIDERS. I'm buying the Schwinn Varsity for 200 bucks. When one of you passes me, realize this- at some point, you were a beginner, just like me. Unsure. UNCOMMITTED. motivated. Would you have wanted to run into an "expert" with an attitude like the one you've got? Wouldn't that be a real drag? $2000 for a bike? Whatever floats your boat. Next time, try not to trade in your HEART for it. For that price, it should come with a free personality anyway. I have been watching the TOUR on and off for days. I have not seen one single commercial for a bike, or accessories, or clothing, or parts. It's all been "LANCE WAS" "LANCE COULD" "LIKE LANCE". YOUR LANCE FOR THE YEAR 2020 IS RIDING A WALMART BIKE RIGHT NOW.
Burn me all you want, I can't wait to read how you justify being truly elitist D***heads.
Burn me all you want, I can't wait to read how you justify being truly elitist D***heads.
07-21-06, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by craign04
let this thread die already...
Another one will just rise from the ashes of this one. These threads are like unwanted cats....they just keep coming back.
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Originally Posted by nova
Id not even be willing to let any one i know ride a unsafe bike. If you had seen the damage ont he junk gmc bikes in the trash i did youd think twice about even considering these things a option. They might be aluminum framed bikes but they are roll tubes that are not welded. They have some plastic filler material in the seem area to make them look good. The only thing that keeps these bikes from folding in half when some one sits on one is the fact the tubing is damn thick. Aluminum is very strong in a seemless tube form or even things like diamond plate. But when its rolled in to a tube as it is on the gmc bike its extreamly weak and unsafe.
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<If you get a $800 bike, do the newbies get to insult you too?>
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
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<Must own a GMC Denali roadbike. >
No I do not own a bike yet. I came to this forum for advice. What I quickly realized is that there is not much respect from some of you for the people who have to take a baby step financially. Not everyone in this forum fits that description, obviously. But I saw no other members challenging the more a**holic views. I don't walk away quietly. I could care less about the Denali. It is, however, 100% better than what I have-nothing.
No I do not own a bike yet. I came to this forum for advice. What I quickly realized is that there is not much respect from some of you for the people who have to take a baby step financially. Not everyone in this forum fits that description, obviously. But I saw no other members challenging the more a**holic views. I don't walk away quietly. I could care less about the Denali. It is, however, 100% better than what I have-nothing.
07-22-06, 07:22 AM
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<LOL tinrobot ignore the troll he probably doesnt even ride a bike.>
troll? that has to be on the first page of g*y cyclists handbook.
Read my post, I'm buying the schwinn varsity, on the advice from the real cyclists on the forum that love the sport and welcome all classes of rider, bike, and commitment. In other words, not you.
troll? that has to be on the first page of g*y cyclists handbook.
Read my post, I'm buying the schwinn varsity, on the advice from the real cyclists on the forum that love the sport and welcome all classes of rider, bike, and commitment. In other words, not you.
07-22-06, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by clifrockh
<If you get a $800 bike, do the newbies get to insult you too?>
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
07-22-06, 08:22 AM
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<You bet sunglasses are a must. >
Of course they are, but I was referring to the fact that the frame styles always seem so radically shaped.
It was a joke about the "I'm a real cyclist, see?" attitude.
I forgot the best one.
The riders who wear the jerseys that make them look like they are sponsored by 87 companies, when in reality, the rider is sponsoring the companies.
that whole post was a generalization about cyclist fanatics in response to a gross generalization of cheap bike riders as stupid. It's not how I really view cycling. It's "two can play that game". no more no less.
Oh by the way, I'm 5'11, 206 workout with free weights,elliptical, e-bike, machines 6-10 times per week for an average of 8-12 hours per week depending on whether I'm concentrating on cardio or weight training. Jan 13th I was 237, and i couldn't run 1/8 of a mile. I now can weight train, hard, for 3 hours,do 45 minutes at an average of 6 mph on an ellitical and then go home and play with my kid. So you had me pegged, 6 months ago. The road bike is to be my next fitness step in my goals of 175lbs with only 9% bodyfat while keeping the 17 inch arms and 54 inch chest that I have now. I am a bodybuilder if you haven't realized it by now.
Would've thought you picked up on that.
Of course they are, but I was referring to the fact that the frame styles always seem so radically shaped.
It was a joke about the "I'm a real cyclist, see?" attitude.
I forgot the best one.
The riders who wear the jerseys that make them look like they are sponsored by 87 companies, when in reality, the rider is sponsoring the companies.
that whole post was a generalization about cyclist fanatics in response to a gross generalization of cheap bike riders as stupid. It's not how I really view cycling. It's "two can play that game". no more no less.
Oh by the way, I'm 5'11, 206 workout with free weights,elliptical, e-bike, machines 6-10 times per week for an average of 8-12 hours per week depending on whether I'm concentrating on cardio or weight training. Jan 13th I was 237, and i couldn't run 1/8 of a mile. I now can weight train, hard, for 3 hours,do 45 minutes at an average of 6 mph on an ellitical and then go home and play with my kid. So you had me pegged, 6 months ago. The road bike is to be my next fitness step in my goals of 175lbs with only 9% bodyfat while keeping the 17 inch arms and 54 inch chest that I have now. I am a bodybuilder if you haven't realized it by now.
Would've thought you picked up on that.
07-22-06, 08:24 AM
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<You're already there and you haven't swung a leg over a bike yet. Well done.>
Thanx I'm trying to fit in with your guys-glad it's working.
Thanx I'm trying to fit in with your guys-glad it's working.
07-22-06, 09:43 AM
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8 years ago I weighed 250 pounds, I bought a Roadmaster MTB. 2 years later it was a falling apart hunk of zhit. But I got my weight down to 165. Then I bought a Kona fire mountian. My weight trashed a Junk-ass bike, then I bought a "real" bike. Sometimes it pays to start off cheap.
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Originally Posted by clifrockh
<If you get a $800 bike, do the newbies get to insult you too?>
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
If riding turns me into a condescending Pr**k, then I will deserve it and take it like the man I used to be.
Originally Posted by clifrockh
Oh by the way, I'm 5'11, 206 workout with free weights,elliptical, e-bike, machines 6-10 times per week for an average of 8-12 hours per week depending on whether I'm concentrating on cardio or weight training. Jan 13th I was 237, and i couldn't run 1/8 of a mile. I now can weight train, hard, for 3 hours,do 45 minutes at an average of 6 mph on an ellitical and then go home and play with my kid. So you had me pegged, 6 months ago. The road bike is to be my next fitness step in my goals of 175lbs with only 9% bodyfat while keeping the 17 inch arms and 54 inch chest that I have now. I am a bodybuilder if you haven't realized it by now.
Would've thought you picked up on that.
Would've thought you picked up on that.
07-22-06, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by clifrockh
<Must own a GMC Denali roadbike. >
No I do not own a bike yet. I came to this forum for advice. What I quickly realized is that there is not much respect from some of you for the people who have to take a baby step financially. Not everyone in this forum fits that description, obviously. But I saw no other members challenging the more a**holic views. I don't walk away quietly. I could care less about the Denali. It is, however, 100% better than what I have-nothing.
No I do not own a bike yet. I came to this forum for advice. What I quickly realized is that there is not much respect from some of you for the people who have to take a baby step financially. Not everyone in this forum fits that description, obviously. But I saw no other members challenging the more a**holic views. I don't walk away quietly. I could care less about the Denali. It is, however, 100% better than what I have-nothing.
Used does not equal crap...just go find a nice used bike. People who can't afford new cars don't just buy the cheapest new one they can find, they usually go for a good condition used car. Makes sense.
07-22-06, 11:08 AM
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Okay clifrockh, I guarantee that when you buy a REAL road bike, you'll see how right we all are. You can't know how good a road bike is until you actual have one.
07-22-06, 11:36 AM
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I never quite understand these threads and the reactions like clifrockh's they elicit. If you go onto a forum populated by bicycle enthusiasts, you are not likely to get a very positive review of the very bottom rung of the bicycle world. It is like asking wine fans if a bottle of Ripple would be a good buy for the dinner party.
That said, the majority of folks on these X-Mart threads are not really all that condescending and most often offer the advice to instead look to the used market for a more reliable bike for less money (the same thing I write on every thread of this sort, BTW). It is good advice and exactly the sort a forum like this should give. What would be the next helpful step would be setting up a "how to buy a used bike" thread to send people to.
Best of luck with bicycling, clifrockh. Like anything, there are all sorts of people riding both good and bad. I think if you tone back the attitude bit you will notice that the vast majority are helpful and pleasant. I learn something nearly every time I log onto this forum and that more than makes up for any mild annoyances that are occasionally posted.
That said, the majority of folks on these X-Mart threads are not really all that condescending and most often offer the advice to instead look to the used market for a more reliable bike for less money (the same thing I write on every thread of this sort, BTW). It is good advice and exactly the sort a forum like this should give. What would be the next helpful step would be setting up a "how to buy a used bike" thread to send people to.
Best of luck with bicycling, clifrockh. Like anything, there are all sorts of people riding both good and bad. I think if you tone back the attitude bit you will notice that the vast majority are helpful and pleasant. I learn something nearly every time I log onto this forum and that more than makes up for any mild annoyances that are occasionally posted.
07-22-06, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by barba
I never quite understand these threads and the reactions like clifrockh's they elicit. If you go onto a forum populated by bicycle enthusiasts, you are not likely to get a very positive review of the very bottom rung of the bicycle world. It is like asking wine fans if a bottle of Ripple would be a good buy for the dinner party.
That said, the majority of folks on these X-Mart threads are not really all that condescending and most often offer the advice to instead look to the used market for a more reliable bike for less money (the same thing I write on every thread of this sort, BTW). It is good advice and exactly the sort a forum like this should give. What would be the next helpful step would be setting up a "how to buy a used bike" thread to send people to.
Best of luck with bicycling, clifrockh. Like anything, there are all sorts of people riding both good and bad. I think if you tone back the attitude bit you will notice that the vast majority are helpful and pleasant. I learn something nearly every time I log onto this forum and that more than makes up for any mild annoyances that are occasionally posted.
That said, the majority of folks on these X-Mart threads are not really all that condescending and most often offer the advice to instead look to the used market for a more reliable bike for less money (the same thing I write on every thread of this sort, BTW). It is good advice and exactly the sort a forum like this should give. What would be the next helpful step would be setting up a "how to buy a used bike" thread to send people to.
Best of luck with bicycling, clifrockh. Like anything, there are all sorts of people riding both good and bad. I think if you tone back the attitude bit you will notice that the vast majority are helpful and pleasant. I learn something nearly every time I log onto this forum and that more than makes up for any mild annoyances that are occasionally posted.
07-22-06, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by discomonkey
that being said... there are quite a few posters who are calling the people who buy these bikes "stupid". Ignorant... maybe... but stupid?!?! that's a little bit harsh and inaccurate. my next door neighbour just purchased this bike because he wanted to go cycling with his grandson. this guy lives in a 9000 sq. ft home worth well over 2 million dollars. he made his fortune rather than inheriting it and he's retired now and has been for the past 10 years. this guy is definitely not stupid. why he wouldn't have gone out and spent $1000 on a bike is beyond me (it's just a chunk of change to him), but he didn't and he couldn't have cared less.
07-22-06, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by clifrockh
I see grown men with no leg hair, tights, and helmets that make them look like flying sp**m and biceps like a 12 year old girl. WHAA MY CARBON FIBER FORK BROKE, What do I dooooooo Whaaaaa. Oh my GOD Lance will be on tv at 4:30 tonight, I can't wait to watch on my 99 inch wall mounted platinum framed Rolex hdtv. I just can't believe that the average american can't and wouldn't spend at least $600 for their first road bike. Which of course is really 1500 after the wifes bike, two helmets, a pump, angular sunglasses (a must) and some gloves so that I can grip the bar (so slippery) better. I want to be you when I grow up.
07-22-06, 12:18 PM
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I don't know if this is a safe bike or not. I would not trust the preconceptions posted here that it is not.
Many/most people in this forum could get a used bike for the same money that will outlast this one and go faster and offer better range, and be able to diagnose and fix the greater range of things that can go wrong with an old bike.
For less experienced cyclists, this bike is definitely attractive. Alloy wheels, more gears, and handlebar shifting is a big upgrade over many older options. There are less things that can potentially be wrong with it (for all you know you could be buying a frame that was crashed and is weak), and a low price helps with the uncertainties regarding your compatibility with cycling and bike theft. No this is not the bike for experts that already have something better, or know that investing substantially more will provide noticeable and desired benefits. It can still be the right bike for many others.
Many/most people in this forum could get a used bike for the same money that will outlast this one and go faster and offer better range, and be able to diagnose and fix the greater range of things that can go wrong with an old bike.
For less experienced cyclists, this bike is definitely attractive. Alloy wheels, more gears, and handlebar shifting is a big upgrade over many older options. There are less things that can potentially be wrong with it (for all you know you could be buying a frame that was crashed and is weak), and a low price helps with the uncertainties regarding your compatibility with cycling and bike theft. No this is not the bike for experts that already have something better, or know that investing substantially more will provide noticeable and desired benefits. It can still be the right bike for many others.
07-22-06, 12:39 PM
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Someone who is an expert mechanic could buy a Wal-Mart bike for $200, put in about $100 for to replace the worst parts, and for $300, have a bike that is just barely adequate for routine riding around the neighborhood. About the same price as some entry level mountain bikes at a real bike store.
But, Wal-Mart sells most of its bikes to people who would not know if the fork was on backwards, or how to properly adjust a quick release. Badly built, badly assembled bikes, sold to people who don't know how to assemble, inspect and properly repair a bike are dangerous.
What amazes me is the number of times I've visited someone who is living in a house worth $300,000 or $500,000, and they have $100,000 worth of cars and trucks in the driveway, and a couple of Wal-Mart bikes in the garage. These are folks who can easily afford the $300 to $800 a solid, dependable bike costs at an LBS, but because the Wal-Mart bikes LOOKS like an $800 bike to them, they think they are buying a similar bike, and saving big money.
Wal-Mart does not require its customers to be stupid, but millions of stupid customers have made Wal-Mart America's biggest retailer.
But, Wal-Mart sells most of its bikes to people who would not know if the fork was on backwards, or how to properly adjust a quick release. Badly built, badly assembled bikes, sold to people who don't know how to assemble, inspect and properly repair a bike are dangerous.
What amazes me is the number of times I've visited someone who is living in a house worth $300,000 or $500,000, and they have $100,000 worth of cars and trucks in the driveway, and a couple of Wal-Mart bikes in the garage. These are folks who can easily afford the $300 to $800 a solid, dependable bike costs at an LBS, but because the Wal-Mart bikes LOOKS like an $800 bike to them, they think they are buying a similar bike, and saving big money.
Wal-Mart does not require its customers to be stupid, but millions of stupid customers have made Wal-Mart America's biggest retailer.
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Handlebar shifting can be done even on older bikes for little money...it's called "bar-end" shifters. Get some downtube cable stops to go over the shifter braze-ons, and some new cables and some extra cable housing, and go for it.
A set of say, 7-speed bar-end shifters can run around $20-30...parts for the entire shebang can be around $50 conting cable stops....then whatever labor is...won't be very bad at all.
Yeah, it's not "super cheap", but it's not like downtube shifting was that bad either...that's what I dealt with when I first got onto a road bike....went from rapidfire shifters on my mountain bike, to downtube shifters. Took me about 2 months to get used to them.
A set of say, 7-speed bar-end shifters can run around $20-30...parts for the entire shebang can be around $50 conting cable stops....then whatever labor is...won't be very bad at all.
Yeah, it's not "super cheap", but it's not like downtube shifting was that bad either...that's what I dealt with when I first got onto a road bike....went from rapidfire shifters on my mountain bike, to downtube shifters. Took me about 2 months to get used to them.
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<People who can't afford new cars don't just buy the cheapest new one they can find, they usually go for a good condition used car. Makes sense.>
Did I forget to mention , I'm a car salesman? I have been trying to get my hands on a yard sale bike but since I work saturdays, I have to rely on friends and family looking for me with no idea what I need. My problem, I realize, but I am sure I am not alone. Scared to death of ebay anymore. I have a really good bike store in our community that swears they never have used road bikes, or new under 599 for scott speedster- see I'm trying- have been for a while. I thought it would be easy to find a garage bike- but no real luck.
seems they always want close to retail at the other more randown bike store and always seems they are on the verge of closing as the first store I spoke of has destroyed them.
still looking, it's just the varsity makes a hard thing alot easier at this point.
Did I forget to mention , I'm a car salesman? I have been trying to get my hands on a yard sale bike but since I work saturdays, I have to rely on friends and family looking for me with no idea what I need. My problem, I realize, but I am sure I am not alone. Scared to death of ebay anymore. I have a really good bike store in our community that swears they never have used road bikes, or new under 599 for scott speedster- see I'm trying- have been for a while. I thought it would be easy to find a garage bike- but no real luck.
seems they always want close to retail at the other more randown bike store and always seems they are on the verge of closing as the first store I spoke of has destroyed them.
still looking, it's just the varsity makes a hard thing alot easier at this point.
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<And i also appologize for my previous post.>
no apologies necessary. Not sure what trolling is but I assume you mean "looking for a fight".
If so, I wasn't. I just didn't appreciate some of the posts and went 0-60 in 5 seconds.
Anybody want to buy a car?
no apologies necessary. Not sure what trolling is but I assume you mean "looking for a fight".
If so, I wasn't. I just didn't appreciate some of the posts and went 0-60 in 5 seconds.
Anybody want to buy a car?
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I've read all of the posts here. I'm 16 years old and I just bought, a week ago, the GMC Denali at Wal-Mart. It is my first road bike. Looking at these threads and riding it for a little bit makes me feel like I made the wrong choice. It is indeed crappy, and the shifting does really suck. The brake pads are also really bad. But, it is getting me into cycling, and I enjoy riding it. I may just return this bike and start saving up for a better one, but I'm not sure if I even want to make that commitment yet (nor if I even can). I did look into buying a used one, but with my lack of experience (especially in repairs) it was not something I was real interested in doing.
As a beginner at cycling, this road bike suits me well. It has already sparked a large interest in me for cycling.
Jordan
As a beginner at cycling, this road bike suits me well. It has already sparked a large interest in me for cycling.
Jordan
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Originally Posted by pelotonracer
Okay clifrockh, I guarantee that when you buy a REAL road bike, you'll see how right we all are. You can't know how good a road bike is until you actual have one.