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Best e-bay scam i've seen.

Old 10-23-05, 10:21 AM
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Best e-bay scam i've seen.

Never had a problem on e-bay because i look
at the feedback and make sure it's consistent
with what i'm buying i.e., never a problem from
*buyers* if i'm buying and for similarly priced
amounts etc.. So, i see this frame and the
feedback is like 86%.. but the bidding is
sooo good ~600 for a new Madone...!!
Yeah. so i see he ships slow, but never
screws anyone.. hmmm, well i didn't
bid and after getting a reply from
someone who did, wow, am i glad.

Here is his reply to my question
about the seller.
Hi,
Regarding your question with my transaction with ________, it was a scam. I won the bid for the Giant TCR bike with full Dura Ace. Paid $1200+ via paypal and still have not received the bike. I felt pretty safe because this guy has bought Paypal buyer protection which would insure most of the amount I paid him. At first he said he had some problem with the store that was packing it so I waited until that is resolved. I knew from the start that Brent is slow in shipping by reading some of his not so great feedbacks. I didn't panick because so far he has not defrauded anyone or so it showed on record. Finally, I received an email from him saying he sent the package and sent me the tracking number. A few days later, the package returned to Brent because it was missing the custom form and destination address. It sounds kinda fishy because why would he leave out the dest address.
He said he was going try to ship it out again. I asked for the new tracking number but I got no reply. I kept sending emails asking for the tracking no. and I waited and waited for his answer but no reply. Basically, he stretched the waiting period to be long enough (45 days & 60 days after winning date for Paypal & eBay respectively) so neither paypal/ebay can take any action against him.

I've bought 3 bike frames in the past from the US and all 3 times it took 4 weeks to get to me. But according to Paypal I have to file for fraud claim before 6 weeks...doesn't leave much time for delays. The policy is kind of stupid because I'm expecting to file for fraud any time a package is delayed somehow. That is really unfair because as a seller you'll be receiving fraud claims every time a package is delayed.

He didn't reply in over 8 wks until I left a negative fdback then he responded to the fdback. Bottom line is still no bike, no tracking no. and no refund money. I'm currently filing for fraud thru the credit card company.
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Not a fraud but heres one for you. I recently bought a bike comp from bens cycling. Tracking number etc. (took 3 workign days to get it) The tracking number status always showed recieved information from sender but has not been scanned in to system. Then it arives at my house and the tracking finaly showed every place it had been scanned in.

Juust incase you might want to check with the shiping company via phone call to make sure it hasnt got held up any where. Would suck if you ended up filing a fraud report got the charge removed and the guy never got the money. So call the shipping comapny (us postal service who ever) just to make sure its not a screw up on their part instead. They might be able to use your old trackign number to find out whats happening.
I say this because of this part. "A few days later, the package returned to Brent because it was missing the custom form and destination address. It sounds kinda fishy because why would he leave out the dest address." If this was based on tracking number the customs form etc could have come loose during shipping.

Chances are 50 50 id say that it is a scam.
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I'd show up at the guy's house heavily armed with a bunch of friends to scare the crap out of him. He'd probably pay up at that pount. Not the most civilized way to handle things but that would piss me off so much. I'd even pay for a plane ticket to confront this guy.

Sounds like he/she wont be getting their money back...sucks
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Old 10-23-05, 10:58 AM
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Well, someone may/may not have gotten a
2005 Madone 2.9 for US $1300!

Truely factoring 'risk' into the final price i guess..

Doesn't affect me either way, i'm gonna help
someone from Namibia get their $315 million
into this country for the customary fee of
3%.......
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Old 10-23-05, 11:01 AM
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I recently sold an item on ebay (for much less than the amount of the transaction discussed above), and the winning bidder has refused to pay, or reply to several emails. However, he lives literally 10 minutes from me. It would be so easy to make his life a living hell. Of course, he could reciprocate. But it sure would be fun...
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Old 10-23-05, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Namenda
I recently sold an item on ebay (for much less than the amount of the transaction discussed above), and the winning bidder has refused to pay, or reply to several emails. However, he lives literally 10 minutes from me. It would be so easy to make his life a living hell. Of course, he could reciprocate. But it sure would be fun...
Not worthe the effort or risk of charges being brought against you. Leave negitive feedback. Relist on ebay with the stipulation that only bidders with positive feedback may bid. Others must seek permission first. Alternately, does Ebay permit you to contact the 2nd place bidder to see he he will/can purchase for his bid price? Bob
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Old 10-23-05, 11:35 AM
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I don't even know that this was
a scam, but the notion of dragging
out the feedback process until it's
too late is something that i'd never
thought about until reading this guys
response.
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Old 10-23-05, 11:55 AM
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SCAMING = ebay! Beware, if something sounds fishy than it probably is, I go screwed out of 1200 dollars for a laptop a few years back, guy used a stolen credit card, no reource for me...
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I ship items through Fed Ex and UPS on a weekly basis and I've never herd of the forms this seller is talking about on a domestic shipment. Ebay is not any different then any newspaper want ads. You have to check out the seller. I draw the line on a ebay seller at about 98% feedback. Any worse then that you have to ask questions.
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i've never had a problem, but i've
also come to realize that any 'deal's'
on e-bay are rarely any cheaper than
a 'real' online business. In fact, lately,
i've seen stuff for much more on e-bay
than what can be had from many of the
big catalogues when they have sales.
So, if it's too good to be true....
And, if the seller has something people
want and has darn close to perfect
feedback--well, a thousand other
people are going to bid on it too,
so, the chances of getting something
for nothing is quite rare really--except
for scams--those are usually about half
the cost of what the actual item goes for...
What i like about e-bay is the variety, i can
buy stuff that's not easily available elsewhere,
and, no, i'm not necessarily going to get a great
deal, but it may be the only place to find a vintage
this or an unusual color that....
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Originally Posted by nova
Not a fraud but heres one for you. I recently bought a bike comp from bens cycling. Tracking number etc. (took 3 workign days to get it) The tracking number status always showed recieved information from sender but has not been scanned in to system. Then it arives at my house and the tracking finaly showed every place it had been scanned in.

Thats why USPS shipping is always lower than UPS/FedEx. I do alot of buying and a little selling on ebay and the internet in general. USPS doesn't really have tracking. They will give you a number but when you look, it never really shows where the package is. Just that its left or has been checked in. It bugs me out alot of times too, because sellers think its way more to ship to Hawaii. Its not, really. I've even paid for priority shipping (3-5 days) and had stuff sent parcel post (5 weeks, by boat) when the difference was less than $1.
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Old 10-23-05, 01:26 PM
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Eight weeks? You don't buy something on eBay in order to wait eight weeks! This is why I only deal with U.S. and Canadian bidders. Too much trouble to keep shipments under your thumb should something go wrong when shipping overseas. Live and learn, I guess.

Anyone with a feedback less than 90% (maybe even 95%) is doing SOMETHING wrong. It's very difficult to earn a rating less than that, although I've run into a number of abusive buyers of late that have made it tough sell anything that isn't gold-plated perfection shipped overnight on my dime.

And USPS is consistently faster than FedEx/UPS for me (i.e. always). I'll ship bike frames and complete bikes via FedEx, but anything smaller goes USPS. Cheaper and faster by a long shot.
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I wouldn't buy anything less than 95%. Slow shippers should be avoided too. It's important to understand that sellers are just like you; they're trying to get a good deal for their sale too. So if you somehow win an auction that's a "great deal" for you, chances are it's a rip off for the other party. This could easily persuade someone that has had less than ideal dealings in the past to rip you off again. Yes there's insurance, but that's a real hassle to deal with still.
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Originally Posted by TwoTyred
He didn't reply in over 8 wks until I left a negative fdback then he responded to the fdback. Bottom line is still no bike, no tracking no. and no refund money. I'm currently filing for fraud thru the credit card company.
Sorry about this, but I went through this on a $200 purchase. Paypal and eBay "investigated" but did nothing. Your credit card company won't do anything.

Scammers hit eBay once on $1000 transctions and run -the system cannot prevent this. The only thing to do is not buy from anyone without hundreds of positives. I personally would not buy any bike from a website of any kind.
 
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Lets remember before you start writing off all on line purchasing that this seller had a 86% feedback rating. Thats the lowest I've seen in quite a while.
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There needs to be a sticky for tips on buying through eBay. If you trawl through eBay's listings enough, the scams are relatively easy to spot:

1) Seller requires you to contact him outside of eBay's messaging system
1a) Seller requires you to pay via escrow service or other goofy payment system
1b) Seller's feedback indicates he/she does not buy/sell bicycle goods.

If you see these three items, and the listing is for a high-end bike at a bargain bin price, run away. It ain't worth it, and it is likely a scam. Other common telling factors:

2) 1-day or 3-day listing
3) Bidders' IDs kept private
4) Stock photo and/or description from bike manufacturer
5) General, vague, or incorrect specifications, sizing, or description

In short, if you're unsure about something, DO NOT BID. Ask the seller questions first. Feel him or her out. I'll admit, sometimes I get irritated having to answer questions for basic items I sell on eBay. But for a big ticket item like a frame, complete bike, or set of expensive wheels, I'm quite open to answering questions and making potential bidders comfortable and understanding of what they are bidding on. You, the bidder, should expect no less.
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Words to live by, gcasillo. Very well said.
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Originally Posted by inkdwheels
Thats why USPS shipping is always lower than UPS/FedEx.
The reason that USPS shipping is always lower than UPS/FedEx is that it is against the law for UPS/FedEx to have lower shipping costs... Look it up...
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Originally Posted by dahvaio
The reason that USPS shipping is always lower than UPS/FedEx is that it is against the law for UPS/FedEx to have lower shipping costs... Look it up...
USPS tracking has always sucked lol. I remember buying a knife online got the knife like 3 or 4 days later. Took the trackign system over 2 months to show the tracking information lol. I got like 10 emails all at once with that one. You cant hardly help but laugh at such things.

As for the bike ebay scam who knows. The bike could show up tomorow or never. If the guy has been selling on ebay for a long time even with a 86% rating chances are hes not trying to delib screw people over. Bens cyclign has a 96% rating. Most of that is from tracking screw ups from usps from what i could see. Mine said somethign along these lines for all 23 days "Shipment reported on x day x month x year but has not been scanned in to the system" At the 2 day mark many people would leave negitive feed back" Then after recieving it would just forget about the fact they left negitive feed back.

Now theres a good chance say 50 50 this guy is scamming people but theres also a chance hes just had some bad luck here and there with shipments gettign screwed up and taking to long. Ive had packages take 2x as long as they should to get to me. Tracking status that never updates or is totaly incorrect.
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If I could enhance Ebay, the first thing I would fix would be to add would be some auction category descriptions to the feedback listings. I hate having to sift through thousands of feedback items just to try to find those for auctions similar to the item I want to bid on.
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I so agree with you! The number one improvement for auction sites!

Or alternatively people could have a different account for each type of purchases/auctions they make....
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Originally Posted by va_cyclist
If I could enhance Ebay, the first thing I would fix would be to add would be some auction category descriptions to the feedback listings. I hate having to sift through thousands of feedback items just to try to find those for auctions similar to the item I want to bid on.
You use to be able to do that with show only ended items.

Find the seller while useing show ended items and look at feed back. Now there is no show ended items i can find.
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Not that it's in any way relevant to this conversation, but USPS shipping (priority) isn't ALWAYS cheaper... if the package goes over 10lbs... that's the cutoff when Fedex becomes cheaper, usually. I just shipped a 16lb package today... was $24 with insurance via USPS Priority ($200 insured), $21 w/o insurance... Fedex was $11 w/o insurance and $13 with insurance. Now, if your package is less than 9 or 10lbs then USPS Priority will be cheaper usually... the cheapest you can get with Fedex and UPS is around $10. Priority goes down to $3.85.

Just my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by DamnRock
Not that it's in any way relevant to this conversation, but USPS shipping (priority) isn't ALWAYS cheaper... if the package goes over 10lbs... that's the cutoff when Fedex becomes cheaper, usually. I just shipped a 16lb package today... was $24 with insurance via USPS Priority ($200 insured), $21 w/o insurance... Fedex was $11 w/o insurance and $13 with insurance. Now, if your package is less than 9 or 10lbs then USPS Priority will be cheaper usually... the cheapest you can get with Fedex and UPS is around $10. Priority goes down to $3.85.

Just my 2 cents.

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I sent a 1.44lb package last week. Fedex Ground was $0.40 more expensive than "standard" mail, and $0.80 cheaper than "priority" mail. And Fedex included $100 insurance AND tracking in that cost, AND guarantees delivery in 5 days (Yes, the post office SAYS Priority takes 3 days, but they don't GUARANTEE it - I've had priority parcels arrive the next day, and I've also had them take well over a month.). I'm unlikely ever to use USPS for a parcel again. My Fedex cost was $5.25 - so I'd challenge teh assertion that the cheapest Fedex service is around $10
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I bought a set of '06 Campagnolo Zonda wheels on eBay last Friday, and they were shipped via USPS Priority Mail. They arrived today from Amherst, MA to Lexington, KY!

That'd never happen with FedEx or UPS.
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