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Old 11-23-05, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SF Biker
Here is a major dichotomy: When I am in Europe ( I have been to France, Germany, Switzerland, GB, The Neatherlands, Czech Republic, and Ireland) I need to search high and low to find a gym. When I do finally find one it only has dumbells up to 35 lbs and an old antiquated Stair Master. There is hardly ever another sole in the place, and in Rotterdam they were smoking inside the gym??? They do always have a pool and a sauna though.

I see some of the most antiquated work out routines in the European gyms and even on TV. The Euros are definetly not in to weight lifting and resistance training as we are in the US. My wife you has been in the gym for over 10 years (mainly light circuit training, not bulking) and carrys way more muscle than Euro women. They look at her in awe and she is far from a body builder.

Here in The States I belong to 24 Hour Fitness. I can find a gym every 10 miles throughout California and when I travel to the East Coast all of the major hotels have a gym or are partnered with a local gym so as a guest you get in free.

In The States I see people in the gym at 3:00 am or 11:00 pm and it is always busy in between.

What gives??

Amazing.

Way less reliance on cars (i.e., more walking), not as much junk food, and smaller portion sizes.
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Originally Posted by Cipollini
although bearing the name cipollini, im actually 5 foot 11 inch and stay at 112lbs all the year.

Have a look



i should change my nick...

You should start weight training - with your metabolism you could eat whatever the hell you want and not gain a pound - so lift weights and eat a little more protein - put on ten pounds of muscle hell you'll only be weighing in at 122

Focus on the bench press - trust me
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What is that frame she's holding up, a Dolce or Ruby?
What frame?
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Originally Posted by EURO
This thread has taught me something very interesting - Americans are dying of obesity, not just because they eat alot, but because society actually pressures them to be overweight.

Amazing...
It sure does.

It also really skews peoples views of what is healthy.

Case in point: I am 5'11" and weigh about 165. I have often heard that I am "skinny" from many people here in the U.S.

My wife is from Germany, always amazed me how much larger I seemed than people in Europe. Id go shopping there, found clothes fit much better (and had the side benefit of being more stylish), and most people seemed to think I was pretty in-shape etc.

Just funny. In the U.S. I always felt like I needed to pack on some pounds. I now have a better view on how fat this country really is.
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1. Body Mass Index (BMI)
BMI is a reliable indicator of total body fat, which is related to the risk of disease and death. The score is valid for both men and women but it does have some limits. The limits are:

It may overestimate body fat in athletes and others who have a muscular build.
It may underestimate body fat in older persons and others who have lost muscle mass.


Yes, I think we've established that.

Did anybody do any BMI calculations on these pro riders? Has anybody posted any body fat percentages for these pro riders?

What does Manute Bol look like these days?
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Originally Posted by JimboJones
Way less reliance on cars (i.e., more walking), not as much junk food, and smaller portion sizes.

Agreed, but much more smoking, very rich foods, more wine, but less sedentary than the US.


Hmmmmm. Food for thought, no pun intended.
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Old 11-23-05, 12:44 PM
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Manute is only like 45 and he's fine.

He's able to walk somewhat now after being involved in a horrific car accident.

He lives in Connecticut after exhausting his fortune on peace efforts in his native Sudan.

Don't rat on Manute. He's accomplished more than you have in his life.
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Originally Posted by thewalrus
Here is a quote from a Chuck Palahniuk essay about anabolic steroids. I thought it would make a good follow-up to the comment above.

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This is a kind of weird aside, but a friend in medical schoolmate me a deal that if I introduced her to Brad Pitt, she’d sneak me in to help her dissect some cadavers. She met Brad, and I spent a long night helping her disassemble dead bodies so first-year pre-med students could study them. Our third cadaver was a 60-year-old physician. He had the muscle mass and definition of a man in his twenties, but when we opened his chest, his heart was almost the size of his head. I held his chest open and my friend poured in Formalin until his lungs floated. My friend looked at his freaking big heart, and his equally freaky big dick, and she told me: testosterone. Self administered for years. She showed me the coiled little wires and the pacemaker buried in his chest and told me he had a history of heart attacks.

About this time, a bodybuilder magazine ran an occasional little feature in its back pages, a catch-up profile about a star bodybuilder from the 1980s. Back then, these stars posed and gave interviews swearing they were blessed with great genetics and determination, they just worked hard and ate well, they never used steroids. They swore. In the update features, these same guys were pale and doughy, battling health problems from diabetes to cancer. And they admitted they had been using steroids.
do you have a link to the rest of that essay? I love Palahniuk and that excerpt was pretty interesting.
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>>For men, additional side effects include:
• shrinking of the testicles
• reduced sperm count
• development of breasts • baldness
• infertility<<

Maybe in some men. And then there are guys that have been using steroids to enhance athletic performance for decades with few or no significant side effects. None of which points to the kind of horror show cancer tales spun by the likes of Mr. Alzedo - who apparently died from liver cancer caused by steroids (in his version). Inside Sports interviewed Lyle's oncologist (cancer specialist) who said he had no idea why Lyle related his cancer to steroid use. He didn't see any connection. Hmmm. That's not what we all heard in the media, is it?

There's a ton of hype on this topic and people get strangely torqued out about it. Hey, maybe they're all in 'roid rage : ).
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Maybe the answer is right in front of us....These guys need to start on a steriod routine. You know since there is no long term side effects (there are also not enough long term studies). That is hysterical.
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I think the racers who are emaciated due to the volume of training and racing are unhealthy BUT if you were to get to the same weight more with caloric restriction than massive exercise you would not only be healthier but live longer as well. Every animal study to date has shown rather severe caloric restriction increased life span substantially (naturally the mechanism is being investigated so it can be turned into a drug and you can eat McFood all day and still live forever).

I think steroids in the doses used for sports are dangerous long term, lower doses more in line with replacement of the declining testosterone and growth hormone levels that occur with age are different matter. The risk to me in either case is that even adjusting for lifestyle related and accidental deaths men live shorter lives than women and the primary difference between the two is the level of sex hormones so increasing the male ones may not be a great idea, though to prove it very large scale studies would probably be needed to control for all the other variables.

People can make fun all they want but I still remember how great I felt at 128 lbs /5'9" and really want to get back close to there again. I don't expect to feel like superman again after 20 years but just the 10 pounds I gained since I broke my pelvis has been a very noticeable negative even just in everyday life and energy levels. Strap a heavy backpack on your back all day and see how it feels.
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i should change my nick...
Yeah, to Cipoleani.
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Originally Posted by bbattle
1. Body Mass Index (BMI)
BMI is a reliable indicator of total body fat, which is related to the risk of disease and death. The score is valid for both men and women but it does have some limits. The limits are:

It may overestimate body fat in athletes and others who have a muscular build.
It may underestimate body fat in older persons and others who have lost muscle mass.


Yes, I think we've established that.

Did anybody do any BMI calculations on these pro riders? Has anybody posted any body fat percentages for these pro riders?

What does Manute Bol look like these days?
The BMI is FUNCTIONALLY flawed. Mass of, say a ball, goes up with the CUBE of the height, while the BMI has the SQUARE in its function. It is actually the case that the body does not scale exactly as height increases, but the index should probably use a power of about 2.6 or 2.7. As a result it overestimates the weight/height relationship for tall people and conversely for short people. It is used because it is a simple function to calculate although primarily people get the readings from a table (the function is numerically simple in the metric system but the units are altered in the Imperial measurements -- same result just not round numbers, which is another sign that it cannot be phsyiologically accurate).
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>>I think steroids in the doses used for sports are dangerous long term<<

Based on WHAT? Media perception? Do you know when the FDA wanted to criminalize steroids 15 years ago the AMA didn't want any part of it? Why? No medical evidence to support such notions. Again, apparently not for women and adolescents, but in adult males.

And let's not forget that our cycling heros are engaged in an extreme sport - and train so hard that their immune functions are compromised and they are more prone to infection, influenza and other maladies. It's not particularly healthy to train for and then ride in the Tour de France. I personally ride 15-18 hours weekly for about 6 - 8 months annually and have never noticed that amount of riding be anything but a benefit to my health, immune response included (I rarely get colds and haven't had the flu in 20 years after having it almost annually as a child).

Maybe we're all insane.
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that's the most digusting thing i've ever seen.. hold up lemme go throw up.

how does his wife willingly have sex with him?
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Originally Posted by Jared88
Hi , i am 17 , about five six and a half and i weigh only 55kg....i think i look worse than these guys put together! Anyway i could beef up ? Sure it is easy to climb hills at my weight with or w/o training but picking up girls is a whole different matter...I always get the 'oh you are kind and funny but you are too thin' comments . What sort of diet should i have?
Dude, if you think women care about how you look, they don't. At least, not as much as guys care about how the girls look Confidence, confidence, and confidence is what will get you there. Oh, some $$$ doesn't hurt either Although at your age this isn't really a factor.
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Originally Posted by H20.1
It sure does.

It also really skews peoples views of what is healthy.

Case in point: I am 5'11" and weigh about 165. I have often heard that I am "skinny" from many people here in the U.S.

My wife is from Germany, always amazed me how much larger I seemed than people in Europe. Id go shopping there, found clothes fit much better (and had the side benefit of being more stylish), and most people seemed to think I was pretty in-shape etc.

Just funny. In the U.S. I always felt like I needed to pack on some pounds. I now have a better view on how fat this country really is.
Ugh, tell me about it. I'm 5'6" (pretty short) and less than 130 pounds. Half the time, "small" is too big!
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Originally Posted by Chicocreole
You should start weight training - with your metabolism you could eat whatever the hell you want and not gain a pound - so lift weights and eat a little more protein - put on ten pounds of muscle hell you'll only be weighing in at 122

Focus on the bench press - trust me

yeah..i can eat whatever i want..havent tried weight training before anyway. Protein? I took GNC Pro Performance Weight Gainer 2200 Gold 3 times already(i mean, i finished 3 huge bottles of them) and still maintain my beloved 51kg. Doctor said it could be genetic-related. My 16.33 BMI rate, it is obviously way too low!!! But, i`ll try to bench press anyway.


And yeah..Cipoleani is the nice nick. lol!
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You guys think youre skinny. Im 5-9 and weigh 54 kilograms (118 pounds) and i still have good fat stores. I guess i was born to cycle, I reckon 45 kg's of that weight is lower body lol. 9kg's for heart and lungs

although i am only 15 years old and should get out to about 65kg's (143 pounds) when i am older.
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Originally Posted by TheDTrain
Manute is only like 45 and he's fine.

He's able to walk somewhat now after being involved in a horrific car accident.

He lives in Connecticut after exhausting his fortune on peace efforts in his native Sudan.

Don't rat on Manute. He's accomplished more than you have in his life.

Oh, I've always been a Manute fan. His visits to Arsenio Hall's show were great. Impressed me with his manners, and his commitment to his country.

I'm in the crowd that feels the BMI is a decent indicator for most regular folks and that most Americans that think they are okay could stand to lose 10-20 pounds. Manute was always looked at as somebody way too thin to be healthy but I think it's because we're so used to looking at fat people.
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