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Sheldon Brown and Grant Peterson weigh in on the OCP

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Old 11-22-05, 06:22 PM
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Here is a podcast of Sheldon Brown's interview of Grant Peterson at Interbike. The main topic is the New Rivendell collaboration with QBP, on a bike with 650b tires, but they digress into talking about bike costumes. You go Sheldon! https://www.sheldonbrown.com/podcasts/grantpetersen.html
It is in mp3 and transcribed.

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Very nice article. I like reading anything written by Sheldon Brown.
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid
Here is a podcast of Sheldon Brown's interview of Grant Peterson at Interbike. The main topic is the New Rivendell collaboration with QBP, on a bike with 650b tires, but they transgress into talking about bike costumes. You go Sheldon! https://www.sheldonbrown.com/podcasts/grantpetersen.html
It is in mp3 and transcribed.
I read that about a month ago. It is so true. It is difficult to find a bike store that acutally has bikes that look like I remember when I started riding in the seventies. Everybody wants to dress up in team colors. If you don't have the correct clothes it's almost like you can't ride. Sad

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Originally Posted by cs1
Everybody wants to dress up in team colors. If you don't have the correct clothes it's almost like you can't ride. Sad

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many wont ride w/o typical "cycling" clothes.........which is hilarious in its own right, im sure somebody will chime in about comfort and such yada yada yada and possibly think its even impossible to ride and be comfortable w/o typical "cycling" clothes.........dont have to look very far to see that is patently false
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What a great article, pretty much sums it up for me.
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While I agree with some of their ideology, I generally hate that Rivendell rhetoric. Despite their denial, there's a significant retro-grouch component there. Interesting read, though.
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Originally Posted by cs1
...It is difficult to find a bike store that acutally has bikes that look like I remember when I started riding in the seventies.
Not many things in this world look like they did 30 years ago but I get your point.
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Well, there's a point there, but for those of us who have already imbibed the grape kool-aid (skinny tires, lycra, pushing ourselves to the point of pain to ride faster) and are actually enjoying it....sorry, what was Peterson's point again?
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I disagree with the NASCAR comparison.

If actual race cars were available for 3-4k - I’d own one.
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Well, there's a point there, but for those of us who have already imbibed the grape kool-aid (skinny tires, lycra, pushing ourselves to the point of pain to ride faster) and are actually enjoying it....sorry, what was Peterson's point again?
I believe that he is saying that you make up a very small segment of the market. Not there is anything wrong with that.
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I disagree with the NASCAR comparison.

If actual race cars were available for 3-4k - I’d own one.
Roll up on Starbucks in the #20 car why don't ya?
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
Roll up on Starbucks in the #20 car why don't ya?
Now that's what I'm talkin' about.
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Originally Posted by gcasillo
Roll up on Starbucks in the #20 car why don't ya?
I think he passed me in the HOV lane of the 405 last time I was in L.A.
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sheldon and grant

both are the antithesis of OCP goofiness
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Originally Posted by LA_Rider
I disagree with the NASCAR comparison.

If actual race cars were available for 3-4k - I’d own one.
some are, just not cup cars.......late models, street junk, and several other classes can be had for that easily
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Too bad they don't sell adult sized Ross Polo bikes anymore cuz I'd buy one if they did. Comfortable, easy to pop wheelies on and cool coaster brakes to do skid-outs on.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat
sheldon and grant

both are the antithesis of OCP goofiness
I dare you to get around in public looking like Sheldon
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Sheldon:
It really bothers me, the concept that you need to wear special clothing to ride a bicycle.
Grant:
I think that's what keeps people off of bikes. If you had to wear an oddball uniform to go buy a McDonald's hamburger, McDonalds would go out of business.
Sheldon:
Good point.


[start_rant]This is full of false assumptions. A cyclist does not need to wear special clothing to bicycle anymore than a rock climber, golfer, baseball player, soccer player, hiker, so on and on, does. Why do people wear special clothing? Because it is comfortable and enhances the cycling experience. I suspect Sheldon is really saying it bothers him that he needs to wear special clothing.

This entire article is full of BS from at least one who has a vested interest in people believing this way.

And if Sheldon is so enamored with 38c tires, I'll sell him the tires of my Surly Cross-Check. The high capacity low pressure tires seem to work fine in the 700c size.

Ps: I think most of the people i see going into a mcdonalds look to me like they are wearing oddball uniforms-clothes designed to fit morbidly obese bodies horribly distended by years of neglect and gluttony.[/end_rant]

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Originally Posted by skinny
Sheldon:
It really bothers me, the concept that you need to wear special clothing to ride a bicycle.
Grant:
I think that's what keeps people off of bikes. If you had to wear an oddball uniform to go buy a McDonald's hamburger, McDonalds would go out of business.
Sheldon:
Good point.


[start_rant]This is full of false assumptions. A cyclist does not need to wear special clothing to bicycle anymore than a rock climber, golfer, baseball player, soccer player, hiker, so on and on, does. Why do people wear special clothing? Because it is comfortable and enhances the cycling experience. I suspect Sheldon is really saying it bothers him that he needs to wear special clothing.

This entire article is full of BS from at least one who has a vested interest in people believing this way.

And if Sheldon is so enamored with 38c tires, I'll sell him the tires of my Surly Cross-Check. The high capacity low pressure tires seem to work fine in the 700c size.

Ps: I think most of the people i see going into a mcdonalds look like they are wearing oddball uniforms to me-clothes designed to fit morbidly obese bodies horribly distended by years of neglect and gluttony.[/end_rant]
So you're ranting about how much you AGREE with them, then?
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Originally Posted by krispistoferson
So you're ranting about how much you AGREE with them, then?
I'm confused....
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I'm confused....
So is he...don't worry about it.
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It was 80 degrees this afternoon. I snuck out of work at 4 o'clock and went for a ride. I wore a t-shirt and gym shorts with cotton sweat socks and had a great time. I doubt seriously that I would have had a better time in a Discovery costume. I am certain I would have been less comfortable wearing a silly outfit.
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Originally Posted by skinny
So is he...don't worry about it.
Sheldon said you don't NEED to wear bicycling clothing, you prefaced your rant by saying the same thing, am I missing something? Then you somehow completely missed the point of the McDonald's analogy, and that makes me sad.
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid
I wore a t-shirt and gym shorts with cotton sweat socks...
The horror!
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Originally Posted by skinny
Uh, you need to learn to read. Illiteracy makes me sad.
You need to learn to write, Braniac. So Sheldon and you both feel that cyclists do not need cycling clothes, but some prefer them. Gotcha. You can always go back and edit your posts for coherency, you know.
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