Armstrong On Trial In Italy
12-15-05, 01:17 PM
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and Simeoni's lawsuit is apparently pending in Paris (which isn't in Italy.)
https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG9PEDPOS1.DTL'
[edit] (see posts below - there are apparently two civil lawsuits filed by simeoni in france and italy and a criminal indictment in Italy.)
https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG9PEDPOS1.DTL'
[edit] (see posts below - there are apparently two civil lawsuits filed by simeoni in france and italy and a criminal indictment in Italy.)
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From ProCycling News:
Simeoni versus Lance Armstrong....
By Podofdonny
Date: 11/30/2005
Simeoni versus Lance Armstrong....
The last Rebel?
A date has been set for the hearing of Filippo Simeoni’s lawsuit against 7 time Tour winner Lance Armstrong.
December 14th at the Gup del Tribunale di Latina, will finally see Simeoni’s case against Armstrong.
Simeoni was the main witness in the trial of Michele Ferrari who was found guilty of sporting fraud and malpractice.
Although Lance Armstrong said that if Ferrari were found guilty he would cease working with him, both on Italian TV and in the French Newspaper Le Monde in the weeks before the Tour de France 2003 he strongly backed his coach.
In response to this, Filippo Simeoni, lodged a charge of defamation against Lance Armstrong with courts in Paris and Italy. He alleges the American called him an "absolute liar" in an interview with the Le Monde newspaper and on Italian TV.
Simeoni gave evidence in the doping trial and was praised by the judge for his sincerity. Following Armstrongs statements he said -"We have to respond in court," he said. He is seeking €100,000 (£71,000) in damages.
"It's not a question of money. If I'm awarded money, I'll give it to charity," said Simeoni .
Ferrai’s Appeal
The appeal of Michele Ferrari was postponed on Tuesday this week.
Ferrari had appealed a 12-month suspended jail sentence handed to him by a Bologna court last year for sports fraud and malpractice. He was acquitted of the most severe charge of distributing health-threatening doping products.
Judges cited technicalities for the postponement. A new date was not immediately decided.
Armstrong, who has defended his ties to Ferrari, has not been mentioned in the trial.
* * *
Sure looks like a civil suit to me. Can somebody tell me how much money that is in U.S. dollars?
Interesting that Ferrari was acquited of the doping charge. But what the hell is "sports fraud and malpractice." This is getting muddier as I look into it.
Simeoni versus Lance Armstrong....
By Podofdonny
Date: 11/30/2005
Simeoni versus Lance Armstrong....
The last Rebel?
A date has been set for the hearing of Filippo Simeoni’s lawsuit against 7 time Tour winner Lance Armstrong.
December 14th at the Gup del Tribunale di Latina, will finally see Simeoni’s case against Armstrong.
Simeoni was the main witness in the trial of Michele Ferrari who was found guilty of sporting fraud and malpractice.
Although Lance Armstrong said that if Ferrari were found guilty he would cease working with him, both on Italian TV and in the French Newspaper Le Monde in the weeks before the Tour de France 2003 he strongly backed his coach.
In response to this, Filippo Simeoni, lodged a charge of defamation against Lance Armstrong with courts in Paris and Italy. He alleges the American called him an "absolute liar" in an interview with the Le Monde newspaper and on Italian TV.
Simeoni gave evidence in the doping trial and was praised by the judge for his sincerity. Following Armstrongs statements he said -"We have to respond in court," he said. He is seeking €100,000 (£71,000) in damages.
"It's not a question of money. If I'm awarded money, I'll give it to charity," said Simeoni .
Ferrai’s Appeal
The appeal of Michele Ferrari was postponed on Tuesday this week.
Ferrari had appealed a 12-month suspended jail sentence handed to him by a Bologna court last year for sports fraud and malpractice. He was acquitted of the most severe charge of distributing health-threatening doping products.
Judges cited technicalities for the postponement. A new date was not immediately decided.
Armstrong, who has defended his ties to Ferrari, has not been mentioned in the trial.
* * *
Sure looks like a civil suit to me. Can somebody tell me how much money that is in U.S. dollars?
Interesting that Ferrari was acquited of the doping charge. But what the hell is "sports fraud and malpractice." This is getting muddier as I look into it.
12-15-05, 01:27 PM
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the lawsuit (and its related developments) are not the same as the news of the indictment. this lawsuit has been pending for a long, long time and the story above says his suit goes to trial yesterday. the criminal trial is scheduled for March 7, 2006.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Super_Socks
and Simeoni's lawsuit is apparently pending in Paris (which isn't in Italy.)
https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG9PEDPOS1.DTL
https://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NG9PEDPOS1.DTL
https://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...x.html?cnn=yes
"ROME (AP) -- Lance Armstrong has been ordered to stand trial in Italy on charges of defaming cyclist Filippo Simeoni."
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OK. I don't like to use all caps, but THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS HERE. A LAWSUIT FILED BY SIMEONI, IN WHICH THE TRIAL WAS SCHEDULED TO START YESTERDAY, AND A CRIMINAL INDICTMENT THAT SAYS LANCE IS TO STAND TRIAL IN MARCH, 2006.
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"In response to this, Filippo Simeoni, lodged a charge of defamation against Lance Armstrong with courts in Paris and Italy."
From the ProCycling quote above. There are two actions pending, yes. One in France and one in Italy. Simeonia initiate both. Which one is criminal and why?
From the ProCycling quote above. There are two actions pending, yes. One in France and one in Italy. Simeonia initiate both. Which one is criminal and why?
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again sorry for the caps. I think Simeoni actually filed lawsuits in France and Italy. but, again, the news of the indictment is different, new and exciting.
that makes three altogether. two civil suits filed by Simeoni in France and Italy (apparently promising to give proceeds to charity), the Italian one was scheduled for trial this month. the one in Paris, according to Euro, was delayed or something, and today, Lance Armstrong was "indicted" by the Italians and is scheduled to stand trial in March, 2006.
there is only one, very specific and very clear meaning of indicted and it has nothing to do with a civil lawsuit.
that makes three altogether. two civil suits filed by Simeoni in France and Italy (apparently promising to give proceeds to charity), the Italian one was scheduled for trial this month. the one in Paris, according to Euro, was delayed or something, and today, Lance Armstrong was "indicted" by the Italians and is scheduled to stand trial in March, 2006.
there is only one, very specific and very clear meaning of indicted and it has nothing to do with a civil lawsuit.
12-15-05, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr_Super_Socks
again sorry for the caps. I think Simeoni actually filed lawsuits in France and Italy. but, again, the news of the indictment is different, new and exciting.
12-15-05, 01:37 PM
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yeah - sorry. I just edited post 57. this is the best I can figure from this outrageous legal mess.
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I wasn't all that interested in this news, but suddenly I am obsessed. I think Lance is gonna take it on the chin here.
I wonder if anyone else is listening to us ?? ??
I wonder if anyone else is listening to us ?? ??
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Originally Posted by HJR
all legal systems are faulty and corrupt
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Originally Posted by Mr_Super_Socks
I wasn't all that interested in this news, but suddenly I am obsessed. I think Lance is gonna take it on the chin here.
I think Lance might have a defense. He called Simeoni a liar. A liar about what is the key issue. Ferrari apparently beat the doping rap, so Lance can say his liar allegation related to Simeoni's testimony about Ferrari's doping advice.
OTOH, the standard of proof is lower in a civil trial, so Simeoni may well prove Ferrari to be a doper in the civil proceeding, thereby overcoming Lance's defense. Also, all Simeoni needs is another cyclist to testify against Ferrari.
These could be an interesting but difficult trials, especially for Lance. He is gonna have to prove that Ferrari, his long time doctor, is not a doper. Not just with respect to Lance, but all of Ferrari's clients.
Surely, Lance is gonna wish he didn't shoot his mouth off. I hope he wins, but it don't look good. I mean, how in the hell is Lance gonna find a disinterested witness who will testify that Ferrari is NOT a doper. There are no credible witnesses in Lance's favor.
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12-15-05, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 1955
Are we talking about the Tour or a knitting circle here? Lance didn't need a reason to spank Simeoni and what if he did it to just be mean...IT'S RACING! When Lance did that to that wimp I was cheering him on!
Originally Posted by 1955
Your way of thinking is the reason for the sue happy world we now live in. I guess your idea of courage is to run to the courts and ask momma mia to make him stop.
Originally Posted by 1955
You're also assuming that Simeoni is telling the truth just because he made a sworn statement in a court of law...please!
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Originally Posted by EURO
God you blind, mindless, johnny-come-lately, no-knowledge of cycling, Lance-worshipping 'It's Not About the Bike' reading idiots make me puke... why don't you all just piss off and go back to playing golf or fiddling with your yachts/stepford wives?
Lance's ex-doctor is a convicted doper. Simeoni testified that this was the case, because he'd doped Simeoni.
A cornered and panicy Lance called him a liar, Simeoni takes Lance to court over this promising to GIVE THE SETTLEMENT TO A CHARITY – all he wants to do is CLEAR HIS NAME.
In the eyes of the Lance loving children, somehow Simeoni is the bad guy. What a joke
The only people that hate Simeoni in cycling are the dopers – because he tells the truth, hence him being ostracised from the pro peloton.
THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH A LANCE WITCH HUNT.
Please, please, please read up on something before you jump to a conclusion about it. You are making yourselves look like idiots.
Lance's ex-doctor is a convicted doper. Simeoni testified that this was the case, because he'd doped Simeoni.
A cornered and panicy Lance called him a liar, Simeoni takes Lance to court over this promising to GIVE THE SETTLEMENT TO A CHARITY – all he wants to do is CLEAR HIS NAME.
In the eyes of the Lance loving children, somehow Simeoni is the bad guy. What a joke
The only people that hate Simeoni in cycling are the dopers – because he tells the truth, hence him being ostracised from the pro peloton.
THIS IS NOTHING TO DO WITH A LANCE WITCH HUNT.
Please, please, please read up on something before you jump to a conclusion about it. You are making yourselves look like idiots.
Hey euro, eat our Florida.
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Didn't Ferrari come up with the barely detectable method of EPO microdosing?
It's also true, as a previous poster mentioned, that the peloton never gets upset at those caught doping but rather with those who imply or accuse others of doping. Telling logic that.
It's also true, as a previous poster mentioned, that the peloton never gets upset at those caught doping but rather with those who imply or accuse others of doping. Telling logic that.
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Originally Posted by hiracer
From ProCycling News:
"It's not a question of money. If I'm awarded money, I'll give it to charity," said Simeoni .
"It's not a question of money. If I'm awarded money, I'll give it to charity," said Simeoni .
Yeah he'll give it to charity as soon as OJ finds the real killer.
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Originally Posted by 1955
eat our Florida.
12-15-05, 02:05 PM
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Hey euro, eat our Florida.
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Originally Posted by No Exit
Thats crap, how can they ORDER Lance to stand trial? If he wants to humor them, he can show up but he's not Italian, he's American. He doesn't answer to them.
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Originally Posted by cooker
It made no sense from a racing perspective...only as a personal vendetta - so why would he do it and why would you cheer him on, from the perspective of a Lance supporter? How was he protecting the peloton's interest, as he put it? Serious question.
Originally Posted by cooker
A sworn statement implicating himself. You'd have to have a pretty elaborate conspiracy theory to asssume that he did it as part of some convoluted and Machiavellian plot to implicate Lance.
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Originally Posted by Sakae Custom
the level of ignorance in this thread is mind boggling.
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Originally Posted by 1955
You are right and that's why I'm treating this like the stupid thread it has turned into. Why should my posts make anymore sense that some of the others.
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Originally Posted by EURO
God you blind, mindless, johnny-come-lately, no-knowledge of cycling, Lance-worshipping 'It's Not About the Bike' reading idiots make me puke... why don't you all just piss off and go back to playing golf or fiddling with your yachts/stepford wives?
Liar, Liar pants on fire!
Now sue me
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