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Nothing beats full fenders

Old 01-07-06, 02:05 PM
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Nothing beats full fenders

After experimenting with homemade fenders, modified throwaway fenders from a bike shop, I broke down and spent $40 of my Christmas money on some real 35mm zefal road bike fenders.

Man, what a difference they make. It rained last night and I just road 20 miles on wet, often muddy roads. After the ride, I was still spotless and my bike was clean save for the lowest most parts.

BTW, you CAN get full fenders onto a Trek 1000 or any other road bike with reasonable clearances. The back fender goes on fine, but the front took some time with a rotary tool. If anyone knows a good, fast, easy way to cut or file the sides that would be good. Basically, you need to narrow the fender where it goes under the fork. I also had to break off the little metal thing that goes around the brake bolt and use a zip tie instead.
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Old 01-07-06, 02:45 PM
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Now add mudflaps to save that last bit, especially your feet. I couldn't believe the difference simple mudflaps makes!
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There is something better; dry roads
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Old 01-07-06, 03:08 PM
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I need mudflaps... It rained on my ride today...HARD. Luckily I just bought one of the clear rain jackets...thats basically like wearing a sheet of plastic, but my core made it home mostly dry... greenhouse effect wasn't too bad. I think I may invest in a rain jacket by Showers Pass before next fall though. I know two guys that have them, and just love 'em.
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Full fenders rule. They also don't add that much more weight to a bike than a well-soaked butt does

Notice how well Oregon and Washington are represented on this thread?
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Originally Posted by marqueemoon
Full fenders rule. They also don't add that much more weight to a bike than a well-soaked butt does

Notice how well Oregon and Washington are represented on this thread?
Well, Komo Doppler showed we should have made it without fenders. Alas, that was NOT the case. Home drenched! It came it fast and furious.
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Interesting... Would anybody happen to have a pic of a full fendered road bike?
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Old 01-07-06, 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by steppinthefunk
Interesting... Would anybody happen to have a pic of a full fendered road bike?

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Don't forget the mudflap on the back... if your riding partners do the same then everybody is that much dryer and cleaner.
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EXCEPT when you ride through snow and slush.

I found out the hard way on New Year's Day that full fenders allow the snow to pack in solidly ... and when there's a solid substance firmly surrounding the wheel ... it doesn't move very well.
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Originally Posted by Machka
EXCEPT when you ride through snow and slush.

I found out the hard way on New Year's Day that full fenders allow the snow to pack in solidly ... and when there's a solid substance firmly surrounding the wheel ... it doesn't move very well.
If you can, adjust the fender for a little more clearance, then ensure there is less clearance at the rear of the fender, this will keep them from becoming snow-packed. I learned that from someone here in BF and it works!
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Originally Posted by chipcom
If you can, adjust the fender for a little more clearance, then ensure there is less clearance at the rear of the fender, this will keep them from becoming snow-packed. I learned that from someone here in BF and it works!
I would love to, but my bicycle is so small there's no room for clearance for anything!!

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Originally Posted by steppinthefunk
Interesting... Would anybody happen to have a pic of a full fendered road bike?
forum-pal from another message board just got this custom Kirk

perfect bike, imho--brilliantly done

built by dave kirk, painted by joe bell, and fully-pimped by the owner

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(winter tires in pics)
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That is one heck of a dirty bike... I love it!...
coolest rat bike I've seen on these boards...

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Originally Posted by Machka
I would love to, but my bicycle is so small there's no room for clearance for anything!!
My fenders are so tight that sand on the tire makes a rubbing noise! Ah, fenders and road racing bikes... it's an adventure.
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Originally Posted by F1_Fan
Ah, fenders and road racing bikes... it's an adventure.
Some heart rate monitor manufacturer had a sales flyer years ago that featured pictures of Tony Rominger "racing" his bike. The pictures must have been taking during the winter, though, since you could see a set of full SKS fenders on his Colnago C40.

I guess when you're riding 8 hours per day in Zurich in February, a dry butt goes a long way ..
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Originally Posted by F1_Fan
My fenders are so tight that sand on the tire makes a rubbing noise! Ah, fenders and road racing bikes... it's an adventure.
But I bet your enjoying the increased aerodynamic advanatage that a frame designed for short reach calipers provides
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Let's hit a few more high points of fenders on road bikes:

1) Now only is there insufficient clearance on most modern bikes, most frames are so tight these days that they don't have a bridge across the chain stays near the bottom bracket which all finders use to tie the front of the fender to.

2) Very few bikes are made with fender eyelets forcing you to use many nasty brackets or lots of plastic cable ties.

3) The fittings that look like bolts with holes drilled through them must be locktited into place after you get all of the adjustments properly or they WILL come loose and the parts will fall off and no one carries any spares.

4) It becomes a major task to remove the rear wheel on a bike with fenders. Then you have to be careful when you set the bike down after so that you don't bend the fender brackets misaligning the fender which then drags on the tire.

5) As someone pointed out, without mud flaps your shoes get wet and muddy even with fenders and since you're generally riding with someone else, if they don't have fenders with mud flaps you have to ride three or four bike lengths behind them or in front of them or you get wet and muddy just as if you didn't have any fenders yourself.
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I'm thinking these bikes don't look half bad with fenders. I doubt they'd fit on my OCLV, but if the beater will accept fenders, I'd consider it.
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Originally Posted by cydewaze
I'm thinking these bikes don't look half bad with fenders. I doubt they'd fit on my OCLV, but if the beater will accept fenders, I'd consider it.
Yes that is why you have a beater bike. My Marin has full fenders but I have a question about fenders...I still get a spray coming off the top of the front wheel coming back up on to the bike and into my face...anyone got a cure for this or is that as good as it gets?

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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
I still get a spray coming off the top of the front wheel coming back up on to the bike and into my face...anyone got a cure for this or is that as good as it gets?
Don't ride so fast and you won't catch up to the spray.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Yes that is why you have a beater bike. My Marin has full fenders but I have a question about fenders...I still get a spray coming off the top of the front wheel coming back up on to the bike and into my face...anyone got a cure for this or is that as good as it gets?
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Yes that is why you have a beater bike. My Marin has full fenders but I have a question about fenders...I still get a spray coming off the top of the front wheel coming back up on to the bike and into my face...anyone got a cure for this or is that as good as it gets?
It's easy to fix, buy or scrounge another set of fenders, cut off a piece to attach to your existing front piece and extend the front piece until it starts to go down the front of the tire a little. If you have room you can bolt it to the existing front section, If you use a piece of a front fender you can even use the stays on that part. You can actually crimp the two pieces together with strong mechanics wire by just running a piece over the top of the fenders where they overlap and running it about 3/4" under the bottom fender ad carefully squeeze the wire onto the fenders with a pair of pliers. If you do it right they won't come off. Plastic fenders are just a starting point they can be cut and modified to fit just about any fender on any bike, including full coverage fenders on bikes that don't have enough clearance under the crown or the rear brake bridge...no problems it's easy. Long mud flaps almost to the ground are best. To be that long they must be flexible, two pieces of MtB tube glued together works great and can be made to look OK. Crimp them on the same way with strong wire, they will never fall off, but, if they get caught on something they will pull off without damaging anything. You can also take them off easily to repair.

Most of these bikes have a flexible mudflap that almost touches the ground. It catches more dirt than just about any part of the fenders.
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If clearance is a bit tight under the forks you need to raise the fender bracket as much as possible on the brake bolt. This can cause interference between the top of the bracket and the headset race. Solution= bend the top part of the bracket reaward and it will clear the race.
The chainstay bridge clamp is often a POS so replace with a zip tie. Drill a small hole 1cm from the tip of the fender and feed ziptie around the stay.
The rear fender is an ideal place for a reflector. Bolt it onto the metal bracket at the rear. Again, you may gave to drill a hole. You can also get lights which mount here.
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