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Old 01-08-06, 12:29 PM
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Trek Flipped It!

Guess Trek discovered what most BF'ers already knew. It is very fashionable to flip your stem.


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Funny that i have never seen one flipped in a bikeshop. I bet they figure most newbies would find that uncomfortable when first riding. So they make it look sexy in the pic then granny it up in the shop.
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My Litespeed came with the stem flipped from the store four years ago. So, I guess this isn't new to me. And yes it does look sexier.
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Originally Posted by Ranger
Funny that i have never seen one flipped in a bikeshop. I bet they figure most newbies would find that uncomfortable when first riding. So they make it look sexy in the pic then granny it up in the shop.
Depends on the builder I guess. I build low end road bikes with the stem turned up, and higher end stuff with the stem turned down. I figure its sort of like pedals, the entry level stuff usually comes with cheap toe clips, and the higher end stuff comes with no pedals. The assumption is (I assume, ha!) that people buying entry level stuff are beginners and people buying higher end stuff are usually experienced riders.
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My Trek 2100 came with a flipped stem, but I guess thats because my LBS owner knows I race(for his team)

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I 'flipped' my stem to get the handlebars to the right height. Period. These newer stems are MUCH uglier than the old one-piece stems. But they are easier to deal with in general. My old stems used to go into permanent vapor lock in my Ti frames on a semi regular basis. My LBS had to come up with various methods of de-seizing them every couple of years.
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I flipped the stem because I have something like six spacers on my steering tube....

Personally I think long steering tube + flipped stem looks better than short steering tube and non flipped stem. It probably weighs more but oh well.
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How do you flip the stem? Sorry for the newb question
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Originally Posted by racer102
How do you flip the stem? Sorry for the newb question
I'm kind of curious as well.. judging by eye-sight, it seems my stem would be angled more upwards if I tried to flip it.
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Originally Posted by racer102
How do you flip the stem? Sorry for the newb question
You undo your bars from the clamp that holds them, remove the stem, then literally flip it over so it angles down instead of up. Bolt your bars back on, adjust your star nut/expander, secure the stem, and that's it. If you have some kind of a faceplace with a logo on it, you might want to flip that as well before you put the bars back on. That's really all there is to it.

I like the look of a flipped stem, but I like the handling even more. A rising stem feels really funky to me.
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This is the old debate about whether you want a boy racer or comfortable fitting bike. The stem should be where it puts you in the best position. For 90% of us the "unflipped" position is probably best. You don't want a 3 inch bar drop if you are doing charity rides and otherwise riding for exercise.
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Does this look like the stem has already been flipped? I could swear that if I flipped it, it would angle more upwards (judging by the angle of the other side)
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Originally Posted by Markio
Does this look like the stem has already been flipped? I could swear that if I flipped it, it would angle more upwards (judging by the angle of the other side)
Yeah, it's already aimed down. That's like a 5-degree stem. Even with it flipped down, it will still be aimed upwards. You need a stem of about 17-degrees like the one on teh Trek in order to have it be horizontal when flipped down...
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid
This is the old debate about whether you want a boy racer or comfortable fitting bike. The stem should be where it puts you in the best position. For 90% of us the "unflipped" position is probably best. You don't want a 3 inch bar drop if you are doing charity rides and otherwise riding for exercise.
"Comfort" means different things to different people. A lot of cyclists would be uncomfortable trying to achieve their normal cruising speed in an upright riding position.

Also, the height of the handlebar depends on the head tube size and spacer stack as well as the stem position.

BTW - I think most old timer cyclists consider the horizontal stem position to be the normal position (like the old quill stems) and the upward position to be "flipped".
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I don't care what the fashion police say, I'm not flipping my stem. No way. The bars are as low as I want them, what with the seatpost already at its maximum height. Besides, this is a climbing bike. Stupid low bars for climbing is, well, stupid.

Maybe I would flip the stem for a flat time trial. Maybe. Or maybe not. If I move the bars, I'll have to mess with the saddle setback AND height , and that's a lot of messing around with a fit that's just fine.
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Originally Posted by javna_golina
Personally I think long steering tube + flipped stem looks better than short steering tube and non flipped stem.
I think so too.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I don't care what the fashion police say, I'm not flipping my stem. No way. The bars are as low as I want them, what with the seatpost already at its maximum height. Besides, this is a climbing bike. Stupid low bars for climbing is, well, stupid.

Maybe I would flip the stem for a flat time trial. Maybe. Or maybe not. If I move the bars, I'll have to mess with the saddle setback AND height , and that's a lot of messing around with a fit that's just fine.
Looks like you have plenty of "delta" between bars and seat anyway.

BTW, that is a very nice bike.
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Does it serve a purpose first? Or what I see is evryone saying it looks sexier! I prefer proven reason for change rather than looking good.
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Originally Posted by johnny99
BTW - I think most old timer cyclists consider the horizontal stem position to be the normal position (like the old quill stems) and the upward position to be "flipped".
That's what I was thinking. I only rode older bikes with quill stems until a few months ago. The stems were always horizontal and never at the upward angles that they have them at with these newer stems.
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Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway
Looks like you have plenty of "delta" between bars and seat anyway.

BTW, that is a very nice bike.
Hello there, 53-11. Haven't heard from you in a while.

Some tidbits on the bike. That photo was taken on a trip to Utah just after the emergency rebuild, necessitated by the bike coming off the roof rack at 75 mph. New fork, stem, bars, levers, saddle. Over $1000 in parts, on a bike that originally cost under $1400. Performance Bike with Saturday delivery saved the trip.

Here's a tip for those who travel with their bikes: bring along a spare derailleur hanger. They're small and inexpensive, but good luck finding one that fits your bike on a trip.
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Originally Posted by terrymorse
I don't care what the fashion police say, I'm not flipping my stem. No way. The bars are as low as I want them, what with the seatpost already at its maximum height. Besides, this is a climbing bike. Stupid low bars for climbing is, well, stupid.

Maybe I would flip the stem for a flat time trial. Maybe. Or maybe not. If I move the bars, I'll have to mess with the saddle setback AND height , and that's a lot of messing around with a fit that's just fine.
Wow, do you think you could find a more beautiful scene to ride that trainer? Nice....
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... That photo was taken on a trip to Utah just after the ...
Is that up in one of the canyons outside SLC?
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Originally Posted by johnny99
BTW - I think most old timer cyclists consider the horizontal stem position to be the normal position (like the old quill stems) and the upward position to be "flipped".
Yeah, I agree, even if it's a shock to be an "old-timer" at less than 40
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Originally Posted by johnny99
BTW - I think most old timer cyclists consider the horizontal stem position to be the normal position (like the old quill stems) and the upward position to be "flipped".
Of course, you know that you adjust the bar height on a bike with a quill stem in an entirely different way.
You just loosen a nut and raise or lower them as you see fit. On bikes with threadless stems, they usually cut off the stem at the height the bar is set. You can't raise it without getting a new stem. I am sure there are factory built bikes with spacers above the stem but I haven't seen them. You can lower it a great deal, either by flipping the stem or moving spacers above the stem. so the bottom line is make it fit. Don't worry about whether it looks fast.
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Originally Posted by CardiacKid
This is the old debate about whether you want a boy racer or comfortable fitting bike. The stem should be where it puts you in the best position. For 90% of us the "unflipped" position is probably best. You don't want a 3 inch bar drop if you are doing charity rides and otherwise riding for exercise.
Placing the stem where it puts you in the best position is true. However "90%" in the unflipped position??? No way. Comfort also involves moving along at a brisk speed and not using extra effort to overcome wind resistence.
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This bit about flipping the stem seems to be about the biggest poser issue I can think of. What matters is if the bike fits and accomplishes the purpose you are using it for. My principal road bike has the stem in the "wrong" direction, but there's still a good 5" of drop from the seat to the bars. Frankly I don't care if it doesn't pass the fashion police, as long as I'm comfortable and I'm as aero as I can reasonably get. I'm not going to add spacers just so I can flip the stem and look "cool"
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