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flat protection for recreational rider...?

Old 01-08-06, 12:48 PM
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I only use my bike for cross-training purposes, which means it gets used once or twice per week for ~30-40 miles at a time. I carry a spare tube and a mini mtb pump, which, while a PITA should get me a rideable pressure to limp home in case of emergencies. If I fill my tires before each ride, I'm pretty comfortable with this setup. However, I don't currently own another pump, so I see two options...

Option 1) Buy a floor pump with a built-in gauge to do my pre-ride pumping.

Option 2) Buy a Topeak Road Morph with a built-in gauge for my pre-ride pumping, and replace my mini with it.

Option 1 has the advantages of very easy, durable filling and what should be a pretty accurate gauge. Disadvantage is that I'll still only have the capability of limping home if I flat.

Option 2 has the advantage of being able to return home at full pressure after a flat. Disadvantages are that the pump is probably not quite as durable or easy to get to full pressure as a floor pump for being use once or twice a week and the gauge may or may not be as accurate.

So, which would you choose (in my case), and why?

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A good floor pump and a CO2 inflater.
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I cannot imagine a regular cyclist not having a floor pump. If you go on long rides, get a usable frame pump as well.
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Old 01-08-06, 01:49 PM
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Floor pump. Or even a small compressor.
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Interesting that the consensus seems to be for the floor pump and limping home.

Are the floor pumps really that much more rugged (being used a couple of times/week) and accurate (gauge) than the Morph?

I suppose I could go with a floor pump and add a CO2 inflator to my current setup (with the mini pump to check the tube before completely filling with the CO2). That would buy me a faster ride home. Hmm...

I need to research, but can anyone recommend a reliable CO2 inflator that takes threadless cartridges (like those available at Wal Mart, etc.) and will get me to 120psi in one shot? Are all CO2 inflators a one-shot deal, or can some be used for more than one filling? If there are models that can be "saved" for multiple uses, do any of these take threadless cartridges? (I know pretty much nothing about the CO2 inflators, if you couldn't tell! )
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Originally Posted by The_Mickstar
Are the floor pumps really that much more rugged (being used a couple of times/week) and accurate (gauge) than the Morph?
Yes and yes.

If you're going on long solo rides and you get more than 1 flat per month, the Road Morph is a fine pump to carry with you.
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I agree with getting a floor pump. That said, I tend to use my Road Morph more than my 3 floor pumps!
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Buy some Specialized tires

http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/sp...3_2489crx.aspx

Then you won't have to worry about flats!
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Originally Posted by The_Mickstar
Interesting that the consensus seems to be for the floor pump and limping home.

Are the floor pumps really that much more rugged (being used a couple of times/week) and accurate (gauge) than the Morph?

I suppose I could go with a floor pump and add a CO2 inflator to my current setup (with the mini pump to check the tube before completely filling with the CO2). That would buy me a faster ride home. Hmm...

I need to research, but can anyone recommend a reliable CO2 inflator that takes threadless cartridges (like those available at Wal Mart, etc.) and will get me to 120psi in one shot? Are all CO2 inflators a one-shot deal, or can some be used for more than one filling? If there are models that can be "saved" for multiple uses, do any of these take threadless cartridges? (I know pretty much nothing about the CO2 inflators, if you couldn't tell! )
Thanks.

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Most floor pumps are more rugged, some are kind of cheap. But it is much, much, easier to fill your tires with every time you go for a ride. Google "Innovations" for lots of info about inflators and different size cartridges. The pressure you get when you fill the tire depends on the size of the tire and the size of the cartridge. They have a little chart to show you. I use the cheap non threaded Wal Mart cartridges in mine.
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Originally Posted by chipcom
I agree with getting a floor pump. That said, I tend to use my Road Morph more than my 3 floor pumps!
What you really mean is you get a better upper body workout on a regular schedule.
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per the OP's question about flat protection I have to agree with dekalbSTEEL about getting good tyres. I haven't flatted all year on their rubber, although I barely weigh 150 lbs and avoid as much crap on the road as I can. One of my regular routes takes me over about 7 or 8 short raised cobble sections (designed to slow traffic) where I was very concious of getting a pinch flat but it hasn't happened. I run them at no more than 100 psi.

Because of this I haven't carried a spare or tools, only the mobile phone for SAG purpose (used twice; once in a freezing thunderous hailstorm and once when my rear derailleur went in the spokes ). I recently picked up a Genuine Innovations CO2 inflator now that both my SAG drivers are working away
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Originally Posted by The Fixer
A good floor pump and a CO2 inflater.
Agreed. This is what I do. A good floor pump with a gauge is invaluable. Don't go by feel, you will never be able to tell how much pressure is in your tires with that method and underinflated tires will slow you down noticeably. I ride with a guy who's 10 years younger than me and in excellent shape and I was always kicking his butt but one day I noticed how low his tires were so next time we rode I pumped his tires up at my house with my floor pump and all of a sudden he's keeping up with me and even passing me on some hills!!! It's all good though, now we're at about the same pace. He can still climb a little better than me at times but I can usually outpace him on the flats.

CO2 will easily inflate a road tire to 100 psi. Just make sure you mount the tire properly before you try to inflate it.
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Originally Posted by dekalbSTEEL
Buy some Specialized tires

http://www.roadbikereview.com/mfr/sp...3_2489crx.aspx

Then you won't have to worry about flats!
Not true. I've had two flats in 800 miles on my Specialized Mondo Pros. No tire is immune to flats but the Specialized tires are very good IMO.
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If you're crosstraining, don't go for the lightest racing tires or tubes. If you're a fumble-fingers like me, don't go for a CO2 inflator: you only get one shot. A saddle bag with tire levers, extra tubes or tube patch kit, and a mini-tool can save your behind if you ride solo in isolated areas. Use either a frame pump or a mini-pump velcroed to your seat tube.
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I would also say to go with some good tires for what your doing on the bike. There are several good ones out there. I also recommend a floor pump, CO2 or mini pump for on ride purposes.
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Originally Posted by The Fixer
A good floor pump and a CO2 inflater.
FTW

(with mini-pump backup)
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I have a floor pump with gauge and use it for 'topping off' before every ride. Also less work than taking frame pump off and on the bike and MUCH faster and easier to pump with.
Also have a Road Morph frame pump ready for flats during rides. Good pump with a nice gauge.
Thinking about a CO2 inflator, but thatís a personal preference thing.
But what has really been the best investment, was buying a set of Specialized Armadillo Tires.
I started road biking this time last year. Flats or slow leaks constantly, even after replacing the tires with brands/models with heavier thread. Then this spring I mounted the Armadillos. 300+ miles and no flats or leaks!
I did lose my frame pump on a rough downhill ride, and didn't notice it until a few miles later, so by then it was not to be found. I then replaced it with the same pump, but used both the old and new mounting clips and their Velcro strips to secure the pump to the frame. I used cable ties for securing the second mounting clip to the frame.
But now I've been thinking that I may want to mount a second water bottle to the mount where the Road Morph is now. Hence, my thinking that I may want to go with a CO2 inflator. This option has become available to me because I don't get so many flats anymore.
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If you don't ever want to flat, get the slime tubes - that's what I use on my mountain bike.

I've got a mini (fits in my jersey pocket) pump that I can fill tires to 100 psi with - that's more than enough to ride without limping. (my regular pressure is 140).

I've gotten 4 flats in the last 4,000 miles - 3 have been in the last month. They're weird that way.
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Got a floor pump (Topeak Sprint) because the wife can't pump the Road Morph. I personally like using the Road Morph better than the Sprint. I find the head on the Sprint difficult to get onto the Presta valve reliably. The Morph head seems to work much better for me.
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I have a Topeak Joe Blow for use at home and a 2 road morphs (one for each bike). You can use some velcro straps to put the pump on the seat tube next to a water bottle cage or E-Mail Blackburn and ask for one of their airstik mounting brackets (which works with the road morph and lets you use a water bottle cage).
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Cool! Thanks!
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OP - minor factor - all that pumping action with a mini pump puts a lot more stress on valve stems - the herky-jerk motion, etc. could cause the stem or the tiny valve to fail.
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OP - minor factor - all that pumping action with a mini pump puts a lot more stress on valve stems - the herky-jerk motion, etc. could cause the stem or the tiny valve to fail.
+1 - Seen it happen to more than one person.

Buy a good floor pump.

Personally I have 2 floor pumps an inflator and somewhere I have a nice frame pump from the late 80's. Guess which one I never use.
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Originally Posted by Adgooroo
OP - minor factor - all that pumping action with a mini pump puts a lot more stress on valve stems - the herky-jerk motion, etc. could cause the stem or the tiny valve to fail.
Which is exactly why I got the Road Morph.
It has a hose leading from the pump to the valve with an integrated gauge.
It's made to stand on end transform the handle to a "T" so you can use it like a floor pump. You can really put your back into it!
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I used the road morph to fill my tires all the way to 110 psi and it didn't take very long, nor was it annoying...
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