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Grasschopper 01-09-06 11:00 AM

Garmin Edge 305 HR+Cad...anyone else as geeked as me about this thing?
 
Ok so I was having second thoughts about pre-ordering the Garmin Edge 305 with HR and Cad so I went to the Garmin site to see if there was any new info or to see if I coul dread some added detal that would keep me from canceling my order. Really I was unclear that the thing would do everything I thought it did as the descriptions don't really say you can navigate with it and I was looking in the Colorado Cyclist catalog which seemed to say you couldn't download your HR and Cad info post workout. Well while I was there I saw that they have posted a .pdf version of the user manual and in reading I was assured that this thing is one kick ass little unit.

So is anyone else as geeked out as I am to get their Edge 305? Supposed release date is a week away...mmm free overnight shipping. :D

I was reading the setup and the thing wants to know how much your bike weighs...and you can set it up for multiple bikes...and the Cad sensor is a double wireless unit similar to the Cateye (I like this because it will be useful on the trainer) for both cadance and speed.

Needless to say I am no longer thinking of canceling my order. :)

http://www.garmin.com/manuals/967_OwnersManual.pdf

zensuit 01-09-06 11:07 AM

Buddy, I seriously want the 205...in these parts that would open up a lot of riding. I don't bother with the HR monitor anymore since it goes to 100% every time I climb for a long time and otherwise indicates that I am not going to stroke out...lol

I've never seen a cooler application of GPS technology!

Z

chrisesposito 01-09-06 11:12 AM

I'm looking forward to getting mine (I pre-ordered it when it was first announced last fall), but given the weather in Seattle for the next few weeks and the fact that it's XC ski racing season for me, it won't get much serious use until the last 1/2 of March. GPSMarkeplace.com (where I ordered mine for $249) lists today (1/9) as the date they expect to have it in stock, but every other place I have seen lists 1/16.

BillyBob 01-09-06 11:37 AM

What is the point of having a GPS cyclocomputer that uses a speed sensor? I can understand having a cadence sensor, but the speed sensor is redunant.

I have a Forerunner 201 and its navigation abilities appears to be similar to the 305. Based on my experience, for navigation, I would rather have a cheap GPS that I could use downloaded maps/routes. The rudimentary navigation in the 201 is great for out and back type things, but not to figure out where you are or where you are going.

Pedal Wench 01-09-06 11:41 AM

Just got back from CES where Garmin was showing it, and also had it working in conjunction with motionbased.com, a software system that lets you download your routes, and share them too, creating a database of rides or runs worldwide, overlaid on Google Earth maps. Very, very, very cool...

Grasschopper 01-09-06 11:45 AM


Originally Posted by Pedal Wench
Just got back from CES where Garmin was showing it, and also had it working in conjunction with motionbased.com, a software system that lets you download your routes, and share them too, creating a database of rides or runs worldwide, overlaid on Google Earth maps. Very, very, very cool...

Oh now that just adds to it...man I can't wait. :D



Originally Posted by BillyBob
What is the point of having a GPS cyclocomputer that uses a speed sensor?

Um so I don't have to have a second cyclocomputer to track my trainer workouts?

zensuit 01-09-06 11:46 AM

[QUOTE=BillyBob]What is the point of having a GPS cyclocomputer that uses a speed sensor? I can understand having a cadence sensor, but the speed sensor is redunant.

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How is the speed sensor redundant if you use only one device?

Grasschopper 01-09-06 11:47 AM

Hey Zen...you know I saw you made a post and the first thing I though was no you wont be seeing this in the swap shop any time soon. :D

jeh 01-09-06 11:51 AM

So this thing dosn't do Mapping? you can't load maps of your city had have them displayed on the gps?

dahvaio 01-09-06 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by BillyBob
What is the point of having a GPS cyclocomputer that uses a speed sensor? I can understand having a cadence sensor, but the speed sensor is redunant.

I have a Forerunner 201 and its navigation abilities appears to be similar to the 305. Based on my experience, for navigation, I would rather have a cheap GPS that I could use downloaded maps/routes. The rudimentary navigation in the 201 is great for out and back type things, but not to figure out where you are or where you are going.


Tracking distance with Satellites is not 100% reliable... There will be various spots where the signal will not be accurate. With a GPS... it will just track a straight line from the point it lost the signal to the point it regained the signal; therefore, the distance will be off... With a speed sensor, you will have accurate distance readings incase the signal gets lost... Plus, it is very beneficial for using it on a trainer because the GPS will not track how far you have ridden on a stationary trainer... IMO, the Edge 305 was a well thought out device...

Now only if the battery could last longer than 12 hours...for those hard-core riders... riding doubles...

Clutch49 01-09-06 11:58 AM

Is any of the information recorded by the Garmin during a specific ride downloadable to a personnal computer? Similar to that of Polar where it is stored in a calendar type manner so that you can refer back to your stats? Polar will profile your ride in graph form. Does anyone know if the Garmin product offers that?

It looks like an awesome product nonetheless!!

BillyBob 01-09-06 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by jeh
So this thing dosn't do Mapping? you can't load maps of your city had have them displayed on the gps?

If you look at the manual, you will see that you can record routes, but they are just lines between waypoints like a bread crumb trail. This feature is useful for findig you way back to a start point, but way less useful than being able to display a local map.

Grasschopper 01-09-06 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Clutch49
Is any of the information recorded by the Garmin during a specific ride downloadable to a personnal computer? Similar to that of Polar where it is stored in a calendar type manner so that you can refer back to your stats? Polar will profile your ride in graph form. Does anyone know if the Garmin product offers that?

It looks like an awesome product nonetheless!!

Yes (check out the .pdf) it does all of that. If you have the 305 with HR+Cad it will store your rides which you can download (by included USB cable interface and with included software) to your PC. It saves everything, HR, cadance, speed, elevation, route info...all that stuff.

BillyBob 01-09-06 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by zensuit
How is the speed sensor redundant if you use only one device?

The GPS function can calculate speed so having a speed sensor to calculate speed is redunant.

It is understandable that an additional speed sensor would be useful for a trainer.

I guess that I am just disappointed. I want downloadable maps, not just trace routes. Trace routes are OK for hiking or running because your range really isn't all that great. However, for cycling, it would be very nice to have robust mapping capability. But I guess this is how Garmin differentiates their training products from their mapping products.

dahvaio 01-09-06 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by Clutch49
Is any of the information recorded by the Garmin during a specific ride downloadable to a personnal computer? Similar to that of Polar where it is stored in a calendar type manner so that you can refer back to your stats? Polar will profile your ride in graph form. Does anyone know if the Garmin product offers that?

It looks like an awesome product nonetheless!!

Visit http://www.garmin.com/products/trainingcenter/ It should give you the answer you need....

'nother 01-09-06 12:53 PM

If you are always traveling within satellite range, the speed sensor is "redundant", when you have GPS. So is the barometric altimeter. But you guys say that like it's a bad thing. It's not: there are plenty of little nooks and crannies, at least around here, where there's no satellite coverage. If you are using only the GPS function to track speed/distance at these spots, you are out of luck. My buddy has a 301 (GPS only) and it's great when we're in the valleys, but up in the hills there are a lot of dead spots, dropouts, etc. and he's unable to get a distance reading on those until he's back in range and it interpolates. A little redundancy doesn't hurt.

'nother 01-09-06 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by BillyBob
The GPS function can calculate speed so having a speed sensor to calculate speed is redunant.

It is understandable that an additional speed sensor would be useful for a trainer.

I guess that I am just disappointed. I want downloadable maps, not just trace routes. Trace routes are OK for hiking or running because your range really isn't all that great. However, for cycling, it would be very nice to have robust mapping capability. But I guess this is how Garmin differentiates their training products from their mapping products.

It may interest you to know that with motionbased.com (which I think is somehow owned or partnered with Garmin), you can export Google Earth routes. Not quite the same as a map, but depending on your need, might be useful.

BillyBob 01-09-06 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by 'nother
It may interest you to know that with motionbased.com (which I think is somehow owned or partnered with Garmin), you can export Google Earth routes. Not quite the same as a map, but depending on your need, might be useful.

Thanks for the tip.

Pedal Wench 01-09-06 01:17 PM

Garmin bought out motionbased.com in October, but the guy who wrote the program is still working with/for Garmin. Nice guy, enthusiastic about his product.

willieb 01-09-06 01:20 PM

Kewl, I like this thing. I may have to give up my S625X one day...hmmm...

Looks like you can use it to map your route after uploading to PC, sweet. Got one on ya Polar...

derath 01-09-06 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by BillyBob

I guess that I am just disappointed. I want downloadable maps, not just trace routes. Trace routes are OK for hiking or running because your range really isn't all that great. However, for cycling, it would be very nice to have robust mapping capability. But I guess this is how Garmin differentiates their training products from their mapping products.


I can feel for ya on that one. But I just don't think it would have been feasible for them to have that all in there anyhow.

For one, the cost of the GPS's with maps to begin with would have driven this unit out of the market.

You also have to look at power needs. These things are basically small computers. The 305 already has to read data from multiple satellites and do all the GPS functions. Plus gather data from the HR, CAD sensor etc. Having it also be able to handle map display etc could have required more powerful hardware, which could have an effect on battery life and other things.

If they had to give something up, this is one I don't mind horribly. I am rarely riding in such unknown places that I absolutely need real time GPS mapping capabilities.

I am also excited. A bit tempered tho. I haven't pre-ordered. I am going to wait and see how all the rest of you like it first.

-D

zensuit 01-09-06 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Hey Zen...you know I saw you made a post and the first thing I though was no you wont be seeing this in the swap shop any time soon. :D

Funny stuff..but I ride a 54, so no lefty simpatico vibe going here...have you played any little ball wacking lately...I haven't touched the clubs...and can't figure out when I will

zensuit 01-09-06 02:09 PM


Originally Posted by BillyBob
The GPS function can calculate speed so having a speed sensor to calculate speed is redunant.

It is understandable that an additional speed sensor would be useful for a trainer.

I guess that I am just disappointed. I want downloadable maps, not just trace routes. Trace routes are OK for hiking or running because your range really isn't all that great. However, for cycling, it would be very nice to have robust mapping capability. But I guess this is how Garmin differentiates their training products from their mapping products.

I was curious about that, so thanks for a serious reply...makes sense...and you are right about mapping...that would be the whole point for a cyclist since a reliable speedo is only about $14

zensuit 01-09-06 02:13 PM

A little redundancy doesn't hurt.[/QUOTE]

Spoken like an engineer! Lol.

Grasschopper 01-09-06 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by zensuit
Funny stuff..but I ride a 54, so no lefty simpatico vibe going here

What does that have to do with a cycling computer? 54 huh? I am guessing you haven't seen the photos of my new bike. :D It's a 54 by the way....I think you C40 would make me content too though.



Originally Posted by zensuit
...have you played any little ball wacking lately...I haven't touched the clubs...and can't figure out when I will

Well no but I haven't been riding much lately either...the weather up hear has SUCKED hardcore. In 2005 though I played my own ball 5 times and in scrambles another 5. That was all year and WELL down from 04 which was WELL down from 03.....

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzeej440/s...s/dscn3814.jpg


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