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Old 01-23-06, 02:23 PM
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If you had to choose between two bikes that were speced identically otherwise, including price, which would you choose?
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105 10 speed. The shifting is just SOOO smooth plus it is state of the current and parts will be around slightly longer. That said I choose Campagnolo.
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Campy first, then Ultegra 9. I don't need 10 cogs when I'm off the back.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
105 10 speed. The shifting is just SOOO smooth plus it is state of the current and parts will be around slightly longer. That said I choose Campagnolo.
The first half of your answer is helpful. The second half causes SEVERE heartburn because it makes me start thinking really CRAZY things.

You know, like buying a bike, stripping it of its shiny new parts, selling those parts here or on eBay, then rebuilding the bike with other parts that would seem to be IDENTICAL to the originals to the untrained (wife's) eye. All at some unknown additional cost...

Crazy, CRAZY stuff!

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105 10.
Ultegra 9 strikes me as decidedly ugly, and it isn't even all that smooth.
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10-spd freewheels are the latest and allow for closer spaced gear changes. I have the reverse of what you're considering, i.e., Ultegra-10 and 105-9 setups. I'm guessing the latest 105-10 is as good as Ultegra-10 that came out last year. And, the 105-9 that I have now is as good as an Ultegra-9 that I used to have. So, I don't think you can go wrong here.
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Ultegra does feel nicer than 105, but I'd take the extra gear. I have Tiagra on my commuter, and between Tiagra 9 and Ultegra 9, I can tell the difference in feel, but either is perfectly functional. On the other hand, an extra gear can give you tighter spacing or a wider range.
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Originally Posted by pinkrobe
Campy first, then Ultegra 9. I don't need 10 cogs when I'm off the back.
I agree with this. I can't count the number of posters that have remarked that Ultegra is really better gear than 105. I don't know since my bikes are 105 and a Dura Ace. However, I'd much rather have an improvement in overall "quality" than an extra gear.
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The brifters have different shapes. Whichever one you find more comfortable would be my suggestion.
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Have you more than one bike? If so, consider whether you'd want compatible groups in case you ever need to swap a wheel in a pinch. So, if I were in your shoes, I'd pick the Ultegra 9 because my current bikes are both 9-speed.
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105 10 Speed. Shimano's support for 9 speed stuff will be limited in the future.
Also, it probably shifts just as nice if not nicer than the old Ultegra 9.

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Originally Posted by caloso
Have you more than one bike? If so, consider whether you'd want compatible groups in case you ever need to swap a wheel in a pinch. So, if I were in your shoes, I'd pick the Ultegra 9 because my current bikes are both 9-speed.
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+2 on caloso's excellent point. It's one thing that I appreciate about my commuter, that I can in a pinch steal parts from it to make my weekend bike work.

As for Don Cook's point, I guess it depends on the terrain you ride on. I'd gladly trade my 9-speed Ultegras for Tiagras (even Soras if they made Soras with STI) if it meant I could get a 10th--or bettter yet, 11th and 12th--cog. But I climb a lot. On my commuter, if it weren't for the "steal me" factor, I'd happily give up a few gears for Ultegra or Dura-Ace since I know I don't really need the vast majority of the gears on my commute.
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All good points...for this exercise, assume no other bike.

I have a QR Kilo that is 9 speed DA barcon / 105RD / Tiagra FD with 650c wheels. I'm very happy with the shifting, but will be selling that once new bike (bonus) time comes. I briefly had an Ultegra 9 speed bike and was happy with the shifting on that, too.

I'm curious for those that have ridden both Ultegra 9 and 105 10 if you REALLY felt the difference?
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105-10s are just out so you probably will not get much feedback. As for Ultegra-9 versus 105-9, I did not experience any difference there, even to the extent that both have triple derailleurs that spec at 27T max on the freewheel and yet, both accepted 32T without much fiddling and still work(ed) great.

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Definitely the 105 10s.

Although 9s is plenty for most.

The reason I say 105s is because I don't really think there is much of a difference in quality between 105 and ultegra. But the new 10s stuff has better BB design etc.
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Originally Posted by 53-11_alltheway
Definitely the 105 10s.

Although 9s is plenty for most.

The reason I say 105s is because I don't really think there is much of a difference in quality between 105 and ultegra. But the new 10s stuff has better BB design etc.
What about the FSA SL-K MegaExo, 2-piece carbon compact crankset vs. the Shimano compact?
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
105 10 speed. The shifting is just SOOO smooth plus it is state of the current and parts will be around slightly longer. That said I choose Campagnolo.
+1 on the Campy. I just switched from Ultegra 10 to Centaur 10 and am so glad I did.

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You guys are KILLING me with this Campy stuff!

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Theoretically, the Ultegra 9s would cost less than the 105 10s. So if the overall price of the bike is the same, you're theoretically getting a better frame/fork/wheels/something else.

Of course, in theory, communism works too.
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Originally Posted by sestivers
Theoretically, the Ultegra 9s would cost less than the 105 10s. So if the overall price of the bike is the same, you're theoretically getting a better frame/fork/wheels/something else.

Of course, in theory, communism works too.
Actually, they are priced within $50 of each other on a full build kit from the best source I know of - www.gvhbikes.com. Other parts spec may vary a little by build kit, but I view the overall value of each to be equivalent...

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Originally Posted by wagathon
105-10s are just out so you probably will not get much feedback. As for Ultegra-9 versus 105-9, I did not experience any difference there, even to the extent that both have triple derailleurs that spec at 27T max on the freewheel and yet, both accepted 32T without much fiddling and still work(ed) great.
Ultegra 9 shifts better than 105 9 with a triple, at least on my two bikes.
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