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Where are the stem police when you need them?

Old 02-05-06, 07:25 PM
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Where are the stem police when you need them?

A friend has just bought a Trek 1400, and is using a lot of spacers and an upturned 17 degree stem. He is a new cyclist and is having some difficulty getting comfortable. He has been advised by me and others that it takes time to become comfortable on a bike, and that he should take time to adapt to a position rather than changing it significantly once a week (as he has been doing) and then changing again before he has adapted to it.

Not content with the unsightly upturned stem, he now wants to buy one of these monstrosities.



Please help me advise him that he should first take time - at least a month or two - to adapt to his current position, which is already very upright and with perfect reach. And I don't think anyone should put one of those ugly stems on their bike.
 
Old 02-05-06, 07:41 PM
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But it says "PRO" on the side so the pros must use them too.
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If it is no fun to ride, then I would say go ahead and change, but I would give it at least 50 to 100 miles between every change or longer depending on how bad the discomfort is. He can always change it back. I don't see any reason why a beginner shouldn't get a stem like that. Stop trying to get him into a bike that looks like yours. The most important thing is that he has fun.
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Old 02-05-06, 08:54 PM
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I think that stem is perfect for him. i personally would not use such a thing, but that's bc i have a pretty good sense of my measurements. I think he can use this for the next few months and adjsut it until he finds angle that is good forhim and then atthatpointhe can pick up a nice 3T or Deda stem.
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Originally Posted by RossB
And I don't think anyone should put one of those ugly stems on their bike.
But, it does say "Pro".
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Old 02-05-06, 09:01 PM
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I think the adjustable stems are intended more for flat bar road bikes.
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Old 02-05-06, 09:51 PM
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Let the guy ride HIS bike as he wants. If too geeky to be seen with - so be it - find another buddy.
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Old 02-05-06, 09:57 PM
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You guys are far too tolerant. I'll have to re-post this at weight weenies.
 
Old 02-05-06, 10:10 PM
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I always thought adjustable stems were for getting low, i.e. a Look Ergostem. Just show your friend picutres of pretty bikes and point out various things one of which may be the stem being under or level with the saddle.
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Sounds like he got some bad advice on what bike to buy. He obviously likes a more upright riding position. Why did he buy a bike with racing geometry. I hope he was not talked into it by someone who is more concerned with appearance than they are helping him find a proper fitting bike.
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Old 02-05-06, 11:12 PM
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Looks like I found a stem for my TT set up.
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I have a full set of spacers and a 130mm, +17 stem on my bike. It puts the bars about 1/4" below the saddle. I've tried all sorts of stems and positions but keep gong back to the +17 stem as it's the most comortable and fastest position for me.
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Old 02-05-06, 11:35 PM
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Hey Nitro, this is the best choice I've heard, because it won't slip but takes a lot of work to adjust the angle. Just FYI
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Originally Posted by kahn
Let the guy ride HIS bike as he wants...
That's pretty much what I was thinking. Who gives a toss? It's his bike, and if it makes him more comfortable and willing/able to ride it more, then all the better.
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When I bought my bike back in August the first thing I did was flip the stem around so that I could get myself a bit more upright. I rode it like that for about the first 800-900 miles but then flipped it down again. I am perfectly comfortable with it like that now. It's amazing how much more flexible I am now than I was when I started riding. Of course, the 15lbs I've lost since then have probably helped quite a bit too.

I would advise your friend to make small changes and ride the bike like that for a couple hundred miles. Also, have him do lots of stretching when he's not on the bike. I try to spend about 30 minutes each evening just stretching my back, legs and arms/shoulders.
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Originally Posted by RossB
You guys are far too tolerant. I'll have to re-post this at weight weenies.
ROFL!
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Originally Posted by lxpatterson
I think that stem is perfect for him.
Absolutely. This is the perfect stem for most people, both newbies...

... and many others who think they know better, always riding with the bars pointed at the sky
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Originally Posted by RossB
A friend has just bought a Trek 1400, and is using a lot of spacers and an upturned 17 degree stem. He is a new cyclist and is having some difficulty getting comfortable. He has been advised by me and others that it takes time to become comfortable on a bike, and that he should take time to adapt to a position rather than changing it significantly once a week (as he has been doing) and then changing again before he has adapted to it.

Not content with the unsightly upturned stem, he now wants to buy one of these monstrosities.



Please help me advise him that he should first take time - at least a month or two - to adapt to his current position, which is already very upright and with perfect reach. And I don't think anyone should put one of those ugly stems on their bike.
let him run it...that is an entry level stem...I have a few that I keep on hand for guys who are new...it allows the rider to move down the angle as his level goes up....
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Flip It!

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Originally Posted by metal_cowboy
Sounds like he got some bad advice on what bike to buy. He obviously likes a more upright riding position. Why did he buy a bike with racing geometry. I hope he was not talked into it by someone who is more concerned with appearance than they are helping him find a proper fitting bike.
+1.

Sounds like his bike is too small.

Threadless is mechanically a better design, but here is a case where the rider could have found his preferred handlebar height much more easily with a quill stem, rather than switching out stems every other week.

Funny how the OP is more concerned with how geeky the bike looks than with his friend's comfort . . .
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Old 02-06-06, 01:00 PM
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When I first started riding last year, my bike had an adjustable stem much like that Ritchey. A few weeks later I got a professional fitting, bought a fixed stem, got used to the position and everythings copacetic. I wouldn't have it any other way.
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