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cyclist killed in Lancaster PA this morning.

Old 02-06-06, 06:59 AM
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cyclist killed in Lancaster PA this morning.

there is not much info released yet, but here is the story I saw on TV this morning

http://www.whptv.com/news/local/lanc...D-8D4F4253490F

I know it involved a cyclist, police car, and another driver. But that's all that has been released so far.
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Old 02-06-06, 07:36 AM
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Not to be prejudice, but outside of Philly, my experience with PA drives is they are about the biggest bunch of inbred moron road-hogs one is going to find on the east coast.
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Not to be prejudice, but outside of Philly, my experience with PA drives is they are about the biggest bunch of inbred moron road-hogs one is going to find on the east coast.
Woe woe woe...where do you get off saying outside of Philly? Christ those people are worse.

I remember at the family stop at the top of the big hill in the Covered Bridge Metric. I couldn't believe how many cars ran over the cones there, nearly hitting cyclists...not to mention the one hillbilly in the Ford F350 (diesel) that reved his engine up on purpose to spew black smoke on everyone for 300 feet.
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Old 02-06-06, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Woe woe woe...where do you get off saying outside of Philly? Christ those people are worse.

I remember at the family stop at the top of the big hill in the Covered Bridge Metric. I couldn't believe how many cars ran over the cones there, nearly hitting cyclists...not to mention the one hillbilly in the Ford F350 (diesel) that rev-ed his engine up on purpose to spew black smoke on everyone for 300 feet.
Well, I have only ridden my bike around Philly when the US Pro Cycling Championships were on, so the locals my have been more in tune...

How about at the last water stop? Some arse in a souped up Mustang convertible peels out to pass a line of cyclists and almost nailed an Amish buggy coming the other way...
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Old 02-06-06, 07:58 AM
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One of the reasons I almost didnt move to PA from MD was the drivers. If only Carroll County was a little cheaper to live in I would have stayed. anyway, I am interested to here who hit the cyclist, the cop, or the other driver. Not the kind of news I like to wake up to.
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It would be interesting to know the whole story. The fact that they are bringing in an accident reconstruction team, and that the roadway was closed for nearly 12 hours indicates that it is more than just a cyclist getting run over.

If that were the case, they would just call the coroner and go on about their business.
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I use to be a sales rep in that area and lived in Downingtown...some of the most beautiful countryside and people. W/the Amish buggies and all of that I always thought the drivers were quite civilized (in comparison to Chicago) and such the roads were great for cycling in fact that area (New Holland) is what got me into road cycling.
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Originally Posted by Sponge
I use to be a sales rep in that area and lived in Downingtown...some of the most beautiful countryside and people. W/the Amish buggies and all of that I always thought the drivers were quite civilized (in comparison to Chicago) and such the roads were great for cycling in fact that area (New Holland) is what got me into road cycling.
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PA drivers are not that bad.

I won't spuriously slander drivers from other states, because I think PA drivers don't need that kind of excuse.
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here is a update at the real story at hand, not that hearing the argument hasn't been amusing.

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On the driver issue, I don;t think PA itself as bad drivers, but there are areas that have it worse then other. I'm sure all states do, but living in Carroll County MD and Baltimore city my first 22 years of life, the drivers there are not half as bad as say Hanover PA or York PA drivers. The drivers there seem to not pay attention, to cyclist or other drivers that matter. Now Gettysburg is a different story as most people there on the weekends are tourists not paying attention to what their doing and looking at the sites.
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The ironic thing about my riding in Lancaster County is that I find the more rural I go the more patient the drivers are, even though they often have to wait nearly a minute to pass me safely in those areas.
As I get back to where the suburban drivers are I get the impatient and resentful drivers who hate me for having to wait 5 seconds for opposing traffic to pass.

501 is not a road I'd ride on if I could help it.
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Old 02-06-06, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Goonster
+1

PA drivers are not that bad.

I won't spuriously slander drivers from other states, because I think PA drivers don't need that kind of excuse.
Drivers in NC and Los Angeles are worse in my experience. In NC everyone drove like it was Sunday and we all had numbers on our doors.

In PA, many drivers are sort of battle-hardened because of the poor road signage/marking and horrid state of repair of the road surface in many areas.

The really bad Lancaster drivers are often transplants.
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Originally Posted by pseudobrit

The really bad Lancaster drivers are often transplants.
Undoubtedly true. Half of Baltimore and the norther suburbs have moved to southern PA and commute in. Every time there is a wreck on I-83 (every other day???) the commuters all bail out and use MD-45 (York Road). Then you really have a zoo.
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Originally Posted by pseudobrit
The ironic thing about my riding in Lancaster County is that I find the more rural I go the more patient the drivers are, even though they often have to wait nearly a minute to pass me safely in those areas.
As I get back to where the suburban drivers are I get the impatient and resentful drivers who hate me for having to wait 5 seconds for opposing traffic to pass.

501 is not a road I'd ride on if I could help it.
I totally agree with you about the rural drivers. Here in Lebanon County, just north of Lancaster, I spend a lot of time on the farm roads and have never had a problem with anyone in a car. I think some of it has to do with the fact that most of the drivers have learned to have patience when they get stuck behind a buggy, so little old me on my LeMond isn't much of a problem for them.
I also avoid riding on 501, but then again so do many of the horse and buggies.
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I live in NYC and have more than one close call with a car but, thankfully the cars do drive a bit slower here. Sucks - and it looks like this Robinette lady might have been under the influence. The issue comes down to this - in this country we simply have to many cars! And with bad drivers, accidents like this are destined to happen. What I think should happen as part of your driver education, you should be forced to ride a bike - down busy streets or rural roads. I think then these newbie drivers will understand what cyclist a requires for space if a program is put in place that gets them on a bike before they get a license.

We race alot in Lancaster and its not so bad -I think last year in NYC we had like 11 or 12 cycling related deaths with cars. I can't tell you how many accidents cause those go unreported. Go figure. The government should give a tax credit to people that ride to work! And I think the price of gas should go up - with a gas tax that can go to schools and cycling/alternative transportation programs - like light rail. I mean, Europe did it. Why can we. Japan and China are doing it - we should too.


That is just my 2 cents.
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Can you believe how screwed up this driver must have been to have a police officer, who was driving in the opposite direction, notice the car swerving, hang a u-turn, attempt to pursue the driver and then happen upon this tragic accident? There have been way too many of these accidents lately.
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Originally Posted by Nachoman
Can you believe how screwed up this driver must have been to have a police officer, who was driving in the opposite direction, notice the car swerving, hang a u-turn, attempt to pursue the driver and then happen upon this tragic accident? There have been way too many of these accidents lately.
I think you are reading things into the report that are not there.

When I read the report I get the idea that the cyclist was riding on the wrong side of the road at night and was hit head on. The motorist swerved, presumably at the last second to avoid the collision. The officer, heading the opposite direction saw the car swerve, turned around to investigate and also had an accident.

No place does it say the driver of the car that hit the cyclist was leaving the scene or under the influence.
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We need to be carefull. Waaaaaaaaaaay too many of us getting killed by cars. On annother site I heard of a rider killed the previous day.
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12:30 am. Question is: Was the cyclist lit up like a gay disco on wheels, or like many, in 'stealth' mode?
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I'll introduce myself.I'm a police officer and an accident reconstructionest. 12 hours is not excessive if a fatality involves a police car ,CYA!!! I did one with a motorcycle that was 62 hours total time spent. On Pa drivers.There not the worst just in the top 5 in S/E pa .Opinion from old fart 25 years on the job .How was the police car involved and how much time did the cop have on the job? If he was a "youngen" they drive way too fast for everything.
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Originally Posted by pseudobrit
The ironic thing about my riding in Lancaster County is that I find the more rural I go the more patient the drivers are, even though they often have to wait nearly a minute to pass me safely in those areas.
As I get back to where the suburban drivers are I get the impatient and resentful drivers who hate me for having to wait 5 seconds for opposing traffic to pass.

501 is not a road I'd ride on if I could help it.
I've been to Lancaster. The area is the same as the area I live in...complete with the horse and buggies.
You are absolutely right in your assessment. Out of the city it is great, not as many morons in mennonite country.

Also, I'm going to be in the Lancaster area next month. Is that little mennonite pretzel shop on main street in Intercouse still there? Awesome pretzels!
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Funny...I live just outside of Hershey, which is a tourist mecca. We usually blame bad driving on all the folks coming in to visit, not on the locals

As for the route 501 incident...I don't know the intimate details, but I do know the guy was riding along a main road, at 1:00 a.m. on his way home from work. Tragic for all concerned, no matter what the analysis.

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I don't really know what happened out there. Just like you don't. But I do know that I'll almost always take the side of a cyclist, instead of a motor vehicle. And I totally agree with Scott LR that we all need to be very careful out there, at all times.
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Originally Posted by CastIron
12:30 am. Question is: Was the cyclist lit up like a gay disco on wheels, or like many, in 'stealth' mode?
Local paper had a bit about it and called him an "avid cyclist" who preferred riding and refused a coworker's offer to drive him home that evening.

Based on that, I'd guess he was lit up like the Griswold house at Christmas.
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They had a follow up to this story on the news tonight. It seems the cyclist was first hit by the car that was driving erratically and landed in front of the pursuing police car that also hit him. The EMS workers who responded to the scene said the first driver smelled of alcohol.
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That's friggin terrible....
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