A little over-optimistic?
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A little over-optimistic?
$10,000 Trek?
Yeah, $10,000 for a Trek with Dura-ace and carbon CLINCHERS. Trek is cool and all, but damn.
That would be like having the money to spend on a Ferrari, but getting a Corvette for $300,000 instead.
Yeah, $10,000 for a Trek with Dura-ace and carbon CLINCHERS. Trek is cool and all, but damn.
That would be like having the money to spend on a Ferrari, but getting a Corvette for $300,000 instead.
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They only plan to sell something like 300 of them per year, right? If that's the target number of bikes sold, $10K may well be the right price. Let's be honest; this model really only exists so that Trek can say Lance rides a "stock" bike in the Tour.
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Does it come with an easy-to-apply "SUCKER" sticker that the owner can affix to his forehead?
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Buying a Trek makes you a sucker, $10,000 bike or not. Either way, you are being sold an over-priced bike for the Lance factor.
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Originally Posted by EURO
Buying a Trek makes you a sucker, $10,000 bike or not. Either way, you are being sold an over-priced bike for the Lance factor.
Marketing, marketing, marketing.
I don't begrudge anyone from trying to get every buck they can however....if there are people dumb enough to pay that much for something, so be it. That's on them, not the sellers. And believe me when I tell you there will be many buyers, even at that price.
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Lots of bad energy here. The way I see it, the only bike you should worry about is the one between your legs. Everything else is just...everything else.
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I'm sure it's a nice bike with capabilities out of our collective league. That said, why on Earth would you not go full custom for that kind of coin? It's perverse, actually. The bike appeals to those who are (or fancy themselves to be) elite level racers yet too lazy to do the propper build-up.
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Originally Posted by Singlespeedster
Lots of bad energy here. The way I see it, the only bike you should worry about is the one between your legs. Everything else is just...everything else.
Everything else is only $10,000.
I was frame shopping and I came across this and almost shat my pants when I saw the price. I figured "Trek = average Joe Cyclist. They might have a good frame for cheap". There is no logical reason to consider this bike unless Lance himself measures me with 500 strands of his hair tied together, lays the CF himself, fills the tires with his own flatulence, and signs the top-tube with his thickass blood.
Any other bike in this price range is a full blown custom fit, spec'd to what you want uber-bike that more than likely will be WAY less than UCI weight regulations.
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Originally Posted by EURO
Buying a Trek makes you a sucker, $10,000 bike or not. Either way, you are being sold an over-priced bike for the Lance factor
That makes a lot of the people here
$2000 bucks buys a lot of stuff. Bicycles and bicyle components are way over priced for the amount of material and work that goes into manufacturing them.
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Originally Posted by Cypress
Everything else is only $10,000.
I was frame shopping and I came across this and almost shat my pants when I saw the price. I figured "Trek = average Joe Cyclist. They might have a good frame for cheap". There is no logical reason to consider this bike unless Lance himself measures me with 500 strands of his hair tied together, lays the CF himself, fills the tires with his own flatulence, and signs the top-tube with his thickass blood.
Any other bike in this price range is a full blown custom fit, spec'd to what you want uber-bike that more than likely will be WAY less than UCI weight regulations.
I was frame shopping and I came across this and almost shat my pants when I saw the price. I figured "Trek = average Joe Cyclist. They might have a good frame for cheap". There is no logical reason to consider this bike unless Lance himself measures me with 500 strands of his hair tied together, lays the CF himself, fills the tires with his own flatulence, and signs the top-tube with his thickass blood.
Any other bike in this price range is a full blown custom fit, spec'd to what you want uber-bike that more than likely will be WAY less than UCI weight regulations.
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NOT $10,000 cool. Nope
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Hey if you've got the disposable income then why not? I'm sure everyone here has spent money on bike components/parts without actually needing it 100% and perhaps paying more than they could have if they bought the generic equivalent that is made in the same factory out of the same materials but doesn't have the cool mfr name on it.
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Originally Posted by ViperZ
$2000 bucks buys a lot of stuff. Bicycles and bicyle components are way over priced for the amount of material and work that goes into manufacturing them.
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The link isn't working for me, but if it's the Livestrong bike, you know that $2500 of that is a donation to the Livestrong foundation, right?
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Originally Posted by ViperZ
Bicycles and bicyle components are way over priced for the amount of material and work that goes into manufacturing them.
After design, implementation, manufacture, insurance, marketing, warehousing, shipping, and retailing, what would be a non-"way overpriced" sales figure for a decent bike suited to the serious recreational cyclist?
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Originally Posted by Singlespeedster
Please provide some stats to back up this claim. I'm not talking about the 10k trek here, rather, more reasonably priced stuff.
After design, implementation, manufacture, insurance, marketing, warehousing, shipping, and retailing, what would be a non-"way overpriced" sales figure for a decent bike suited to the serious recreational cyclist?
After design, implementation, manufacture, insurance, marketing, warehousing, shipping, and retailing, what would be a non-"way overpriced" sales figure for a decent bike suited to the serious recreational cyclist?
Let me rephrase by saying "some, most upper end ....."
Like I said, $2000 would buy a nice bike, or a nice refrigerator, or a Widescreen TV, or a Amplifier, or scooter, a killer snowblower, or a lawn tractor...
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Originally Posted by ViperZ
No statistic other than when a saddle can be priced from $12 to $300, Carbon frames can be from $500 to $5000, wheels can be $100 to $5000.... No stats are required for this. There is a price that the market will bear and the people will pay it it seems.
Let me rephrase by saying "some, most upper end ....."
Like I said, $2000 would buy a nice bike, or a nice refrigerator, or a Widescreen TV, or a Amplifier, or scooter...
Let me rephrase by saying "some, most upper end ....."
Like I said, $2000 would buy a nice bike, or a nice refrigerator, or a Widescreen TV, or a Amplifier, or scooter...
Just because a saddle can be priced from $12 to $300 doesn't necessarily mean that every bit of the cycling industry is way overpriced. It is an industry, broad in spectrum. Most people are in the cycling industry becaause they love cycling, very few people are making tons of money at it.
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Originally Posted by Singlespeedster
You've narrowed your brush quite a bit there...
Just because a saddle can be priced from $12 to $300 doesn't necessarily mean that every bit of the cycling industry is way overpriced. It is an industry, broad in spectrum. Most people are in the cycling industry becaause they love cycling, very few people are making tons of money at it.
Just because a saddle can be priced from $12 to $300 doesn't necessarily mean that every bit of the cycling industry is way overpriced. It is an industry, broad in spectrum. Most people are in the cycling industry becaause they love cycling, very few people are making tons of money at it.
What part of the industry where we talking about? It certainly wasn't Walmart or Canadian Tire Bikes....
We are talking about $2,000 to $10,000 Bikes.. No Bicycle should cost that much, regardless of what it's made of, or what ever magical gains it promises to provide.
But then I should talk as I open my wallet W-I-D-E.....
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Placing a $10000 price on a bike is like having a box with a sign which says 'DO NOT OPEN'....anyone would wanna open it even more.
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Originally Posted by ViperZ
We are talking about $2,000 to $10,000 Bikes.. No Bicycle should cost that much, regardless of what it's made of, or what ever magical gains it promises to provide.
I think there is very real and tangible technology that goes into bicycles these days: materials engineering, research, testing. All of this stuff costs money, and ends up benefitting the end user much more so than, say, blue jeans. I'm amazed at how much money people spend on jeans.
Here's the 10k Trek version of blue jeans
I think bicycles, for the most part, are a relative bargain.
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$2000 bucks buys a lot of stuff. Bicycles and bicyle components are way over priced for the amount of material and work that goes into manufacturing them.
A $2000 bike is worth $2000 because the definition of 'worth' is 'how much people are willing to pay for it'.
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Originally Posted by Singlespeedster
Again, I respectfully disagree. I think you've identified a very real problem in western culture and have ascribed it to the wrong industry.
I think there is very real and tangible technology that goes into bicycles these days: materials engineering, research, testing. All of this stuff costs money, and ends up benefitting the end user much more so than, say, blue jeans. I'm amazed at how much money people spend on jeans.
Here's the 10k Trek version of blue jeans
I think bicycles, for the most part, are a relative bargain.
I think there is very real and tangible technology that goes into bicycles these days: materials engineering, research, testing. All of this stuff costs money, and ends up benefitting the end user much more so than, say, blue jeans. I'm amazed at how much money people spend on jeans.
Here's the 10k Trek version of blue jeans
I think bicycles, for the most part, are a relative bargain.