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Tour "de" vs. "du" France

Old 02-13-06, 08:58 AM
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Tour "de" vs. "du" France

I am just curious as to why the preferred name of the race is "Tour de France" when it seems that "Tour du France" is more, shall we say, French.
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"de" is pronouced "du" in French........and no it is not tour "day" france!
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France is fe*****e, so it gets a "la." Du is the combonation of "de" and "le," de and la aren't combined. So, the Tour du France would mean "Tour of the France," and it would be in the wrong gender.
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France is feminin.

It would be correct to say 'Tour de la France' and incorrect to say 'Tour du France'.

However, it is perfectly correct to say Tour de France just like saying Tour de Suisse, Tour d'Allemagne or Tour d'Italie.

Cheers.
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Originally Posted by dno
"de" is pronouced "du" in French........and no it is not tour "day" france!

So I suppose you think you know more about it than Bob Roll
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Thank you for my French lesson du jour. Just log on to BikeForums and all things will be made known!
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Originally Posted by plin
France is feminin.

It would be correct to say 'Tour de la France' and incorrect to say 'Tour du France'.

However, it is perfectly correct to say Tour de France just like saying Tour de Suisse, Tour d'Allemagne or Tour d'Italie.

Cheers.
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I think it's a grammar thing. 'Du' is an indefininte article used with masculine singular nouns (and it means 'some'.) 'De', as in Tour de France means 'of'.

High School French was many years ago, so I may be entirely wrong.

Edit: And everyone beat me to it. D'oh.
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You guys are awesome. I have forgotten all my high school French except "merde."
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I forgot all my college French except "Peugeot".
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Originally Posted by dno
"de" is pronouced "du" in French........and no it is not tour "day" france!

"de" is pronounced "duh" in French, and "du" is pronounced "dou"
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Really you should ask Bob Roll........
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I was talking to a bunch of little kids at an outdoor picinic about the Tour. I was saying something like, "you know, LA just won the Tour de France?" They erupted into fits of semi-nervous giggles and mutterings among themselves. I was slightly confused, so I said, "what?". I then repeated my original statement. More giggles. Finally, one of the youngsters mustered enough pluck to say, "(haha) your'e saying turd france". More giggles. I was just saying it how it's meant to be said, kindof fast and with french lilt to it. Plain and simple.

Kids these days...............
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Originally Posted by Nubie
You guys are awesome. I have forgotten all my high school French except "merde."
hehe
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Old 02-13-06, 12:03 PM
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"du".

Ert.

I would know, as I'm half French-Canadian.
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I think if I were going to take advice for french pronunciation Bob Roll would be the LAST guy I'd listen to! He's got terrible french pronunciation skills. But, he IS Bob Roll so he can say what he wants and it seems noone corrects him.

just so its' clear, De in french isn't pronounced DUH like "Well DUH"... it's pronounced Deuh... hard to sound it out with letters... kinda a cross between DOO and DUH. that's the best way I can explain it. My past french professors would say to put some nasal into it.

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Originally Posted by phillybill
Really you should ask Bob Roll........

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In French, countries are masculine or feminine. For example, Canada, the United States, and Japan (and others) are masculine: Le Canada, Les Etats-Unis, et Le Japon. Other countries, like Germany, Russia, and France are feminine: L'Allemagne, La Russie, et La France.

When you are using the prepositions du, de, de l' and des, you have to match the genders and the singularity and plurality.

Du = masculine singular
De = feminine singular
De l' = masculine or feminine singular, in front of a vowel
Des = masculine or feminine plural

Therefore, if we were to have tours in various countries it would be as follows:

Tour du Canada
Tour des Etats-Unis
Tour du Japon
Tour de l'Allemagne
Tour de Russie
Tour de France


As for pronunciation, "de" is pronounced just like it looks: "deh" ... not "duh" and not "day". "Du" is also pronounced just like it looks: "doo".
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I love the way a French guy posts in the thread (Plin) and everyone still insists on answering the question so they can look clever and educated.

LISTEN TO THE FRENCHIE!!
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Originally Posted by EURO
I love the way a French guy posts in the thread (Plin) and everyone still insists on answering the question so they can look clever and educated.

LISTEN TO THE FRENCHIE!!

French is one of Canada's official languages too.
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Originally Posted by Machka
In French, countries are masculine or feminine. For example, Canada, the United States, and Japan (and others) are masculine: Le Canada, Les Etats-Unis, et Le Japon. Other countries, like Germany, Russia, and France are feminine: L'Allemagne, La Russie, et La France.

When you are using the prepositions du, de, de l' and des, you have to match the genders and the singularity and plurality.

Du = masculine singular
De = feminine singular
De l' = masculine or feminine singular, in front of a vowel
Des = masculine or feminine plural

Therefore, if we were to have tours in various countries it would be as follows:

Tour du Canada
Tour des Etats-Unis
Tour du Japon
Tour de l'Allemagne
Tour de Russie
Tour de France


As for pronunciation, "de" is pronounced just like it looks: "deh" ... not "duh" and not "day". "Du" is also pronounced just like it looks: "doo".

That interesting- I am still not quite sure why is is not Tour de la France though and Tour de la Russie (as all the others have a definite article at least in the contracted form)
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Originally Posted by royalflash
That interesting- I am still not quite sure why is is not Tour de la France though and Tour de la Russie (as all the others have a definite article at least in the contracted form)

I'm not sure ... I think it is one of those, "that's the way it is" things in French.

http://french.about.com/library/weekly/aa062400c.htm

"When trying to determine which preposition to use with a country or continent, the only difficulty is in knowing its gender.

Nearly all countries that end in e are feminine and the rest are masculine. There are just a few exceptions:

le Cambodge
le Mexique
le Mozambique
le Zare
le Zimbabwe
All continents end in e and all are feminine.

Once you know the gender, it is a simple matter to decide which preposition to use. Masculine and plural countries take or de plus the appropriate definite article. Feminine countries and continents take en or de, no article."
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Originally Posted by 56/12 and 22/28
"du".

Ert.

I would know, as I'm half French-Canadian.
you must be french canadian... you suck at french grammar.
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It's Tour de France. Du is a combination of de and le, le being the masculine "the". Countries don't take a the, so it's tour de france.

Either way, france is feminine, so it can't be du. It might be de la, but not du.
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Originally Posted by dno
"de" is pronouced "du" in French........and no it is not tour "day" france!
I read that Bob says it like "day", as a form of mockery for some reason which I can't remember.

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