Second Mouse

Has anyone had a Campy Veloce (or Centaur) 9-speed, and then upgraded to a 10-speed? What differences did you notice (other than the extra cog)? I've heard comments about the differences between Shimano 9 and 10 speeds, and was just wondering if the same holds true with Campy. The difference in price between new 9 and 10-speed groups is pretty noticeable. Thanks.

Cheers.

Olebiker

I went from 9 speed Veloce to 10 speed Centaur. I wish I had nine speed back. Three cogs in the middle of the cassette already need to be replaced after about 3,000 miles. The choice of chains for 10 speed is limited and pricier.

recurve

I ride current 9-sp Veloce and 4-year-old 10-sp Record/Chorus. In my opinion, the difference is very small. I'm almost thinking of downgrading the Record shifters to 9-sp to save $$$. HOWEVER, the 10-sp record chain is much nicer to ride (lighter and smoother) even than the cheaper 10-sp chain.

Thanks

juicemouse

Your prematurely worn out cogs have nothing to do with the fact that the drivetrain is 10-speed. Campagnolo 10-speed cogs are the same thickness as their 9-speed cogs. I agree about the chain prices and general dearth of advantages of 10-speed over 9-speed though.

K6-III

Stick with the 9spd. Cheaper cassettes. Chains last longer. Don't need a fancy chain tool.

Second Mouse

Thanks--good input, and much appreciated.

A 9-speed group is about $130 cheaper than a 10-speed at a couple of online sources, so it's nice to hear there's not a huge quality/functionality difference between the two.

Cheers.

Olebiker

I didn't realize that. I guess I just spend most of my time on those gears.

Beldar77

Does the advice that there is not much difference apply if you are planning a compact crank where there is less overlapping of gears?

gcasillo

Second Mouse, it depends on your needs. If you ride casually, have a tight budget, and do not explicitly need the extra gear, then Veloce 9 will be a nice buy. Any 9-speed group for that matter.

If you race or have a need for the extra gear to maintain a specific cadence, then consider Veloce 10. Or any 10-speed group. I commuted on a 9-speed 105 equipped bike last Summer, and it was *plenty* fine for me. I even did a little training on that bike when I was waiting on parts to build another bike.

Second Mouse

Nope, gcasillo, I'm purely a recreational rider, 60 to 100 miles/week once the weather warms up, an MS 150 and a century per year, that sort of thing. The budget's pretty tight, but it's self-imposed, since it wouldn't be worth it to me to spend thousands when I can get away with hundreds, for the way I ride. That's one reason the Veloce has its appeal. It's all just personal preference.

Thanks again. Cheers.

galen_52657

Get 10 speed. Use the Wipperman chain with the master link. Lube your chain often and clean it now and then and it will last a long time.

Wipperman chain: https://www.glorycycles.com/wipcon1008ch.html
Or, you can try this IRD chain for $25: https://www.glorycycles.com/in10spchforc.html

Veloce nine speed cassette @ $50: https://www.glorycycles.com/camvel5.html

Veloce ten speed cassette @ $75: https://www.glorycycles.com/cave10sp20ca.html

Total cost difference = $30...... B.F.D.

CPcyclist

Nine should due what you need now. If you want to move up to ten in the future it should just be a cassett/spacers+cog and gear in the shifter.


Olebiker if you realy want you could go backward with the same two things.

Olebiker

That's why I like Campy so much.

galen_52657

Wrong!!!

You will need a new chain, new rear derailleur and new large chainring also and maybe a new front derailleur unless you already have the 9/10 speed

cs1

I own a Veloce 9 speed triple with barcons and a Daytona 10 speed with brifters. The Daytona shifts are much smoother than the Veloce. I believe that's mostly because of the barcons though. Neither shifts any better than my old Chorus 8 speed though.

Tim

cs1

Sometimes you can get away with just new jockey wheels in the derailleur. The 10 speed chainring is over rated. Cassette, chain and pulleys should get you going. See how it works first before you spend any more cash on new chainrings and derailleurs.

Tim

juicemouse

Wrong!!!

All you really need is the shifter (or shifter customization), the cassette, and the chain. And if you wanna be a total stickler, you can get skinnier derailleur pulleys and a spacer for the front chainring, as cs1 suggests. But they really make zero difference in practice.

cs1

+1, actually the pulleys are the same. The spacers are narrower and squeeze the cage together. This helps to keep the chain from getting jammed and supposedly shift faster. I think if you wanted to be real cheap take juicmouse's suggestion and go from there. If it doesn't shift well look at the other items. Always go for the cheapest way first.

Tim

galen_52657

He already said to get the 10 speed ratchet....