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Atlanta cyclist killed while training

Old 11-11-02, 07:54 AM
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Atlanta cyclist killed while training

On November 4, long-time Atlanta-area cyclist David Martin was killed by a motorist while riding his bike in Emerson, Georgia in the United States. David would have celebrated his thirty-fourth birthday on November 11, 2002. He survived by his parents, two brothers, his wife Gretchen and her son.

Genesis Scuba/FFCC Cycling Team director Michael Skop describes David as a competitive cyclist known for his explosive speed in the sprint, the kind of rider who could alter the outcome of a race merely by being in the peloton. Many teams would race simply to keep David out of the front group (often without success) in order to avoid having to deal with his fantastic finishing speed. Among his numerous results on the bike, David was a three time Champion of the State of Georgia, 30+ Criterium and Road Champion in 2001, and Elite Criterium Champion in 1997, Southeastern Collegiate Conference road race champion in 1996, as well as overall omnium champion.
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Old 11-11-02, 08:01 AM
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What can one say....it's a shame.
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Old 11-11-02, 08:06 AM
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I just happened upon this on CNN.com. I live near a large Amish settlement, so I can relate to this one...
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/Northeast....ap/index.html
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I didn't know anything about David. I'm kinda new to cycling in Atlanta. Too bad there are so many "accidents" involving cyclists. Someday I may understand.

Regarding the CNN story: A horse drawn buggy is much larger than a bicycle, so it is much easier to see.
Was the truck driver drunk, asleep, or what?
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The sad thing about that horse driven carriage... the article said no charges were being drawn up. Pretty sad. Guy plows thru a family and gets away with it.

What were the circumstances of the Atlanta cyclists' death?

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The above drivers. I was within inches of being creamed the other day. I had a 4 LED white Cateye flasher in the front and a 4 LED red flasher in the rear. The dude simply turned into me from my left, he had to slam on his brakes and swerve hard. Being in that situation, knowing you are going to be mangled (possibly killed) and there is nothing you can do, really sucks. He never even paused as he drove through the turn lane, how could he not have seen me? The thought of what these people went through in their final milliseconds breaks my heart. Cars 'r coffins and I'm proud that I don't own one.
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I heard about that. There have been a lot of bad accidents this year- I was hit by a car a few weeks ago, and another guy I know was also hit and injured pretty badly. Hit and run! But he'll recover, fortunately. When I read about that poor guy in atlanta it made me realize I'd been pretty lucky. Everyone said, "it could have been a lot worse" which is certainly true.
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Great guy. He will be missed.
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The sad thing about that horse driven carriage... the article said no charges were being drawn up. Pretty sad. Guy plows thru a family and gets away with it
yes, i see this time and again! ok, the description is short and maybe there were special circumstances, but from the description sounds like the truck rear-ended the carriage and sent it over the embankment which seems pretty clear fault for the truck driver.

we must enforce penalties or else it gives the impression that such actions are acceptable...

there was a case a year or so ago in Florida where a cyclist was stopped 3ft OFF the road in the grass and a 60-something year old cut the corner and turned about 20ft too soon and ran over the cyclist and killed him and NO charges were filed as it was an "accident" b/c the driver wasn't paying attention... not paying attention when operating a motor vehicle and killing someone (should) = major punishment
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Originally posted by nathank

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we must enforce penalties or else it gives the impression that such actions are acceptable...

...<snip>... not paying attention when operating a motor vehicle and killing someone (should) = major punishment
I couldn't agree more. In my book, that is manslaughter. I just pray that if something like this ever happened to me, the person would at least lose their license for a while... or something. Getting off scot free is just ridiculous.

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Getting off scot free is just ridiculous.
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This brings up an excellent point. It seems to me that "drivers" who strike cyclists aren't generally punished using the same standards as in other situations? Is it just me, or does anyone else share this perception?

"I didn't see him" is just not a valid excuse, but it seems to work well for the "driver".

Thoughts????
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Originally posted by bac


This brings up an excellent point. It seems to me that "drivers" who strike cyclists aren't generally punished using the same standards as in other situations? Is it just me, or does anyone else share this perception?

"I didn't see him" is just not a valid excuse, but it seems to work well for the "driver".

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Exactly! It's kinda like when a pedestrian just walks out into traffic and the driver gets off because the pedestrian walked out at the last second and the driver could not stop in time. In that situation, you can hardly blame the driver because no human could have stopped their vehicle in time to prevent hitting the pedestrian.

But when a driver exhibits either a) bad judgement or b) incredibly poor driving skills and plows thru a biker, you can't just say it was an accident. Using the "I didn't see him" arguement, a truck driver could plow *over* a Miada and meerly say "I didn't see him" and get off without any blame. The "I didn't see him" defense is BS.

Watching the way some drivers whizz by me on the road and seeing how close some of them are willing to drive by me, it's apparent they have no fear of the consequences of hitting me. It's as if they know they won't be treated badly at all. In reality is should be a VERY serious incident if you hit a cyclist.

To me, it's worse than a DUI. With a DUI you've put everyone around you *at risk* of death or serious injury due to your impaired condition. Whereas, hitting a cyclist all ready results in at least serious injury, if not death. And yet a typical DUI results in loss of license for a year, at least 10 or so hours of informational classes, mandatory AA meetings, and possibly jail time. And this is just a DUI where the person was pulled over, not a DUI involving an accident or whatever. So you get all that for a DUI and nothing for killing a cyclist? Where is the justice in that?

Unfortunately, no matter how safe we are, no matter how many lights we put on our bikes, we are all still at risk of being plowed over by a vehicle whenever we ride on the road. The best we can do is to limit our exposure.

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