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Why does no one wave to me?

Old 02-19-06, 06:08 PM
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Why does no one wave to me?

I always make an effort to wave to other cyclists. (By "wave" I mean lifting a few fingers off the bars, a nod of the head, anything that aknowledges that, hey, you're on a bike, I'm on a bike, that's cool) But I've noticed I rarely get waves in return. I've also noticed that the amount of "bling" a rider has is inversely proportional to the likelyhood of a wave.
For example:
Guy on a carbon Trek in full Disco Channel/USPS kit = no wave
Girls on beach cruisers/elderly couples = always wave
Now, I must say I have more in common with that first group, so what's the excuse?
And don't say you're "pushing too hard" at the moment. Because you're clearly not.
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I always get a wave in return.
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Originally Posted by thatguy
I always make an effort to wave to other cyclists. (By "wave" I mean lifting a few fingers off the bars, a nod of the head, anything that aknowledges that, hey, you're on a bike, I'm on a bike, that's cool) But I've noticed I rarely get waves in return. I've also noticed that the amount of "bling" a rider has is inversely proportional to the likelyhood of a wave.
For example:
Guy on a carbon Trek in full Disco Channel/USPS kit = no wave
Girls on beach cruisers/elderly couples = always wave
Now, I must say I have more in common with that first group, so what's the excuse?
And don't say you're "pushing too hard" at the moment. Because you're clearly not.
This is all that really matters, isn't it?
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Sorry, My Disco kit had just come back from the cleaners - I was obviously too busy posing to be cival.
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The guys with the madones in full disco kit don't want to think they're in the same leauge as you, therefore no wave. They're too focused training for the next grand tour.
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Well...what is it?

Noone waves, or just noone you deem to be a serious cyclist?

For the record, if you were on the trail today from 11:00am to 2:00pm between East Bay and Tarpon Springs, I waved or greeted you verbally.

My work here is done!
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Why does this come up so often? Why is this such a big deal? Maybe the other riders were focused on their rides. Maybe they didn't see you. Maybe the other riders got some the night before and they were reliving the experience in their head. Maybe they didn't get some last night and were trying to figure out why.

It's not like this is some secret society where we all must pass the secret sign upon seeing other members or something -- it's nothing more than two cyclists passing each other. If you wave and get waves back, great! If you wave and don't get waves back, well that should be great too.
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I have found something very interesting - when I ride solo I get few waves, especially from the guys decked out in full team wear. . .they either pretend they don't seem me or glare at me when I wave or tip the head. However, when my wife and I are out on our tandem, EVERYONE waves, including those who won't wave at me solo. . .too funny. Maybe they are giving me sympathy waves. . .
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Originally Posted by iamtim
Why does this come up so often? Why is this such a big deal? Maybe the other riders were focused on their rides. Maybe they didn't see you. Maybe the other riders got some the night before and they were reliving the experience in their head. Maybe they didn't get some last night and were trying to figure out why.

It's not like this is some secret society where we all must pass the secret sign upon seeing other members or something -- it's nothing more than two cyclists passing each other. If you wave and get waves back, great! If you wave and don't get waves back, well that should be great too.
DITTO,DITTO,DITTO! You think it matters to a blind stoker on a tandem if no one waves?
Just ride your frickin' bike already.
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Old 02-19-06, 06:55 PM
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I believe it to be deep rooted in the insecurities of the bike riders in general. They are afraid of rejection, therefore they won't venture a wave fearing you may not return it. By the time you wave, they have already decided to ignore you and not reveal their insecurity. The reason it appears to happen more often with those riding high end bikes, and team kits further exemplifies the insecurity/rejection theory. They are desperately trying to buy their way into a more secure, outgoing persona.
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Are you waving at people when you pass them or at people on the other side of the road? If you wave when you pass from behind, they probably aren't going to see your wave. You should say "hi" or "good morning" if you want to get their attention. If you wave at someone across the street, most of the time they will be too busy watching their side of the road to see you and/or respond. Slower riders are more likely to respond simply because they don't need to pay as much attention to the road.

Personally, when I say "hi" to another cyclist on the road, they respond 99% of the time. If your response late is substantially less, then you must be scaring them off somehow.
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Old 02-19-06, 07:09 PM
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Semi-serious answer: sometimes I'm up in my head thinking about stuff (which is one of the things I like about riding) and don't realize someone has waved to me until I'm already going by them.

Totally serious answer: All things considered, I'll take girls on beach cruisers over boys in lycra Disco outfits anyday.
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Originally Posted by iamtim
Maybe the other riders were focused on their rides. Maybe they didn't see you. Maybe the other riders got some the night before and they were reliving the experience in their head. Maybe they didn't get some last night and were trying to figure out why.
+1. Cyclists can space out, be focused on something else, or be doing something that prevents them from seeing you.

As for the inverse equipment relationship, I'm going to guess that people riding the high end stuff are more likely to be watching computers, gear ratios, monitoring their bike and performance, etc. On the low end stuff, people are riding just to have fun so they probably like to absorb more of their environment.

I always wave to other cyclists, but I think many times they don't see me (or aren't looking at me when I wave). There are lots of things to watch for on the road so it's easy to have your attention somewhere else at the one second where you nod, raise a few fingers, etc.
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OK, tangent scenario:

Today I stop briefly at an intersection on the trail next to a tall, skinny guy with hair down to his butt, dressed like a (Harley) biker, riding a hybrid with a PARROT on the handlebar.

As we sat beside each other stopped at the intersection I said, "How ya doin'?"

His response, " ".

Nothing.

Clearly this is a guy who wants attention. Maybe he was cruisin' for babes on beach cruisers.

OK, definitely...
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Old 02-19-06, 07:20 PM
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i ride roughly 10 hours a week. each hour, depending on the route, i might pass by 15-20 people riding bikes. in the summer it's probably about 50 or more if i'm in a popular area. so, that's a range of 150-500 people per week (600-2000 per month). that's a lot of waving to be done! as such, i tend to do the head nod instead.
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The same happens to me sometimes. I always make an effort. Sure I can get hyperfocused like anyone else, but I am not so stuck on myself that I can break it for one moment and wave.

Who knows. I don't let it get to me.
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Old 02-19-06, 07:25 PM
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Are they riding downwind from you?
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Its probably because the roadies, posing or not - are into their rides and may not see you. A lot of times I see people wave but i don't realize it until after they have passed. Sometimes I even look right at them as they are waving, but i don't react until later. O2 deprivation I guess.

People on beach cruisers are probably just out enjoying the ride, looking around, etc - not creeping into redline and trying to go harder.
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I always get waves on the Yough trail...most people you see on there are pretty friendly...cept the people who are walking and don't want to get off the trail to let you go through...they forget it IS a BIKE trail.
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Well, I guess I won't take it so personally from here on. I'll still wave to the girls on beach cruisers though.

And BeeTL, I wasn't out on the trail today, but I'm not really surprised by your description of the parrot guy. I've seen a similar guy with a Harley painted like a parrot, with a matching real parrot on the handlebars. Maybe he lost his license!
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How do you know if the other rider is tired or has to pay attention? It is not always clear.

If the other rider is riding hard, or fast for the conditions, or there is traffic around, he should be paying attention to the ground in front of him, the road up in front of him, traffic, and intersecting side roads. This is the safe thing to do. Maybe there are potholes or sand or he is just a smart, safe, rider keeping an eye out for them.


The last thing he should be doing is looking at you.
Not paying attention to you is much safer, that probably makes him an experienced cyclist.
An experienced cyclist is likely to put looking where he is going above "cool".



A guy with what you call "bling" is more likely to be one of the above due to lots of riding and lots of experience.
It's not "cool" to look across the street at other things when riding in traffic or when tired and you need to pay attention, or you are going fast. A rider looking across the street at other bikes when they should be watching where they are going is dangerous. Especially if they keep looking to see if someone on the other side of the road is going to wave back.

Waving at newbies that might swerve when they wave at you can be dangerous. It has caused plenty of problems. Expecting someone to wave when they may need to pay attention to what they are doing is wrong.

The road ahead is always more important than waving to someone across the street. "Cool" is paying attention, not waving. Sure some could be rude, but you can't tell. It's not important.
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Originally Posted by thatguy
Why does no one wave to me?
Why does it bother people when other people don't wave back? That should be the question.

Let it go.
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Old 02-19-06, 08:34 PM
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I always try to wave, but sometimes on a long ride when I haven't eaten or drank enough, I'm just staring blankly at the pavement three feet in front of me and fantasizing about dinner that evening.

Maybe I'm not the only one.
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