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My tire tube is a mobius strip..?

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Old 04-29-06, 06:57 PM
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My tire tube is a mobius strip..?

I bought a 700x25 presta tire tube from the shop today, and I was just folding it up when I realized that it was a mobius strip. Meaning that it's one sided (running your finger along one side will end you up on the other). I guess it wouldn't affect the cylindrical shape of the tire once I inflated it, but isn't this sorta funky? I don't remember any other tire tubes before being like this.. and it sorta makes folding it up kinda weird. What's the deal? Maybe I should get a new one?


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Well, at least it isn't a tesseract. Send it to me so I can brag that I have a mobius tube!
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And if you put it on your bike and pedal fast enough, your tire will traverse to another dimension!

Out of curiosity, who made the tube?
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Haha, it's a Specialized. Really weird.
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I've gotten a couple of those (I like contis, but my LBS only carries specialized). Put a small puff of air into them and you can work the mobiusness out.
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Haha, it's a Specialized. Really weird.
OMG....My Specialized tubes are like that too....Maybe they need better QC.
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Yep, a lot of them seem to be like that. Here's what I do, mix up 2 parts pinesol, 1 part bleach, and 4 parts hot water, and then you can scrub the Mobius off the tube before installation................
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Dudes, If it's a bike tube, it's a torus, topologically speaking, not a Mobius strip.
The Mobius Band and Other Topological Surfaces
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Oh good...because that has totally been bugging me for 8 years.
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Dudes, If it's a bike tube, it's a torus, topologically speaking, not a Mobius strip.
The Mobius Band and Other Topological Surfaces
But you can draw a mobius strip on it. If you want to. Then while you're riding, you could think about the Mobius strip rolling around inside the tire, and visualize what if the strip was always down against the road and how would the bike have to transform in hyper-dimensional space to make that happen ...
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Speaking of Specialized tubes. What exactly are they trying to tell us with the 'instructions' on the back of the box?

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They seem to be saying
* push the tube into the tire in the direction shown by the arrow;
* be sure the tube width matches the tire width;
* be sure the tire bead is seated under the bulge in the rim edge'
* re-check that the bead is still seated on both sides after inflating the tube a little, to 15 psi, before fully inflating it.
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Are you referring to the seam or so-called parting line made by the two faces of the mold?
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
But you can draw a mobius strip on it. If you want to. Then while you're riding, you could think about the Mobius strip rolling around inside the tire, and visualize what if the strip was always down against the road and how would the bike have to transform in hyper-dimensional space to make that happen ...
Now imagine a Klein bottle for a tube...
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Originally Posted by vstkrc
Now imagine a Klein bottle for a tube...
I think maybe you'd need to be riding inside a Klein bottle to have the Mobius strip always down, but I'm not sure. Something to think about on the ride.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
I think maybe you'd need to be riding inside a Klein bottle to have the Mobius strip always down, but I'm not sure. Something to think about on the ride.
I wouldn't think about it while riding; you might get distracted and crash...

But my understanding of a Klein bottle is that it is a 3D (4D, actually I suppose) equivalent to a Mobius strip. I.e. it has only one side/surface and is therefore non-orientable.
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Originally Posted by vstkrc
I wouldn't think about it while riding; you might get distracted and crash...

But my understanding of a Klein bottle is that it is a 3D (4D, actually I suppose) equivalent to a Mobius strip. I.e. it has only one side/surface and is therefore non-orientable.
Correct! If I'm visualizing it right, in order for the mobius strip in the tire to always be ground-side, the bicycle is going to have to twist itself around in a higher dimension. Which is what happens on the surface of a Klein bottle. At first grasp anyway - like I said, something to think about on a ride when your mind isn't otherwise engaged.

How could you crash if you're tooling around inside a Klein Bottle? You'd just twist around obstacles in the fourth dimension, perfectly safe.

hey if I'm right we could probably calculate the size of the Klein bottle given the tire's diameter. Something else to while away the Z2 boredom.
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Originally Posted by overbyte
They seem to be saying
* push the tube into the tire in the direction shown by the arrow;
* be sure the tube width matches the tire width;
* be sure the tire bead is seated under the bulge in the rim edge'
* re-check that the bead is still seated on both sides after inflating the tube a little, to 15 psi, before fully inflating it.
Huh, that actually makes sense.
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