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I'm starting to rethink buying a really nice bike

Old 05-01-06, 10:45 PM
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I'm starting to rethink buying a really nice bike

Ever since I've gotten into cycling while killing time between rides or at work I'd always look at what bikes I wanted to upgrade to. Like most on this forum, they were in the 3k plus range, with the Cervelo R3, Bianchi 928, Litespeed Siena, and the Felt FC3 somewhere in that order. To be perfectly frank, I have no clue what I'll get, it will just be my favorite at the time I have the money.
I've been riding solid on on my Felt for a few months now. I dont put in alot of miles but I do ride everyday, usually hitting some big hills and doing sprint exercises. So far I have 1 paint chip, my Speedplays are all scratched up, and it looks like its been through a war. In my brief riding career I've taken 3 spills (1 hard), dropped my bike to help another rider who just crashed, and had my nephew slam the door on the front rim (though it would have given me a chance to upgrade ) All things considering, my bike looks pretty good still, which I account as pure luck.

Even though I probably will buy an expensive bike, I dont see how you guys (especially ones who do crashteriums) ride 3k+ bikes on some of these courses with confidence. It seems the most sensible thing would be to own a 'backup' bike, or own a second bike just for racing. From everything I've read, the best value bike seems to be around 2k (pedal force, specialized roubaix, etc) and past that there are diminishing returns.
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What? You would own a beater for racing? You would ride you nice pretty litespeed on group rides and around town and ride the Trek 2100 for races. Wow.
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that's the thing; bikes are a tool before they're an ornament, so it's inevitable that they'll get knocked around
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interesting logic ferret
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Originally Posted by rvabiker
What? You would own a beater for racing? You would ride you nice pretty litespeed on group rides and around town and ride the Trek 2100 for races. Wow.
I haven't been cycling too long but correct me if I'm wrong will a Pedal Force QS2 with 105's give up that much performance to the bikes I listed. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems cycling is 95% the legs and 5% the bike.
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What exactly are your needs? Are you really going to need to blow $3000 on a bike that'll perform a little better and weigh one or two pounds less than your current setup? Evaluate why you really want to make this decision before you go ahead and do it.

That being said, the 928 is a fantastic bike. I've always wanted one
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
In my brief riding career I've taken 3 spills (1 hard), dropped my bike to help another rider who just crashed, and had my nephew slam the door on the front rim
how does dropping your bike, and having your nephew slam a door on you wheel count as a spill?

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What? You would own a beater for racing? You would ride you nice pretty litespeed on group rides and around town and ride the Trek 2100 for races. Wow.
sounds logical to me. especially with crits. that's one reason why i never went above ultegra when i raced full time. cheaper to replace broken ultegra than DA.

save the fancy bike for hilly RRs, race the beater in crits.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
Even though I probably will buy an expensive bike, I dont see how you guys (especially ones who do crashteriums) ride 3k+ bikes on some of these courses with confidence., etc)
Most of the good riders don't pay for their bikes. At least not for the whole bike. They have sponsors who give them frames or parts to use for adveritsing purposes.

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Ferret, you're a man after my own heart. I just don't like to take out a great bike that I paid a lot of money for. That's why I wait for real steals and then grab a good bike on the cheap and build it up slowly as I get super deals on components.

For instance, my C40 I picked up for a song off of Ebay since it came up at exactly the wrong time for everyone else and I was one of the few bidders. That was a bare frame and fork. I put it together with Chorus and Kyserium SSL's that I got from a race team for half price almost used and I think that I have about $1,400 in the bike all told. About the same in my Merckx Ex titanium bike.

The Basso Loto which has to be the overwhelming nicest steel bike I've owned has about $1,200 in it.

But I paid full lick for the Eddy Merckx Corsa 0.1 - $3,600 when I bought in 1996 or so. And because of the price I never rode it much.

But check this out - my brother found a Fuji Newest frame on craigslist and bought it for me for Christmas. I put that together for about $600 and it is easily one of the best bikes I've ever ridden.

Expensive doesn't translate to great. The Colnago C40 is a really nice bike but there's nothing special about it. My old '82 Colnago Super with a new paint job and modern Campy parts on the other hand turned into a world beater when I added the carbon fiber fork. The old fork had been too stiff and the bike was transformed from a crappy riding speed wobbling POS to a GREAT, MEMORABLE ride with that one change.

And check this out - a woman in our club was having problems with her back. She had been riding a bike with too long a top tube all along and wouldn't listen to people telling her so until her back started giving her trouble as her mileage went up.

She went out to find a bike that fit her better and the only thing she could find was a new Trek 1500 which looked pretty good to me. She then transferred all of the Campy components off of her "good" bike onto the Trek and you can see the difference in her riding immediately. And she feels a lot better now as well.

So don't worry about "good bikes". There's nothing special about the frame material. I have carbon, aluminum, steel and titanium. I prefer the titanium ride but there's almost nothing in between the Merckx Ex, the Look KG141, the Basso Loto and the Fuji.

And I find myself using the Look a lot and the Fuji a lot. The others are summer bikes.
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Originally Posted by rvabiker
What? You would own a beater for racing? You would ride you nice pretty litespeed on group rides and around town and ride the Trek 2100 for races. Wow.
Actually a lot of people do that. One guy I ride with, a strong Cat 3 rider who could be a 2 if he wanted to be, races on an aluminum leader, and saves his Merlin for rides other than racing. Stiff, relatively inexpensive AL frame makes a good disposable crit bike.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
Actually a lot of people do that. One guy I ride with, a strong Cat 3 rider who could be a 2 if he wanted to be, races on an aluminum leader, and saves his Merlin for rides other than racing. Stiff, relatively inexpensive AL frame makes a good disposable crit bike.
Yep, why crash and burn your expensive bike when you can buy a less expensive al frame and destroy that?
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That's why I never spend a lot of money on a bike. The most important place to have performance is in a race, so if I'm not going to ride my expensive, high performance bike in a race, I have no reason to own one at all. The pros ride expensive equipment because it is given to them (.001 % advantage is worth it when a race is won by ,01 seconds on an hour+ long race). Elite riders usually get killer discounts and it is important to them. Anyone else who spends more than $1500 on a recreation bike is like, well, some guy buying a Porsche for a weekend car. It's still fine, but it's spending the money for the fun of it. I'm a teacher, so I'll continue to be happy with my $1000 bikes until the day I die.
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Yep....I was contemplating doing a crit series here in CT this year, but I'm not gonna take my 5200 and go destroy it. Well that along with the fact I don't currently have any medical insurance either. I'd much rather build up a cheap AL frame with say, 105 components and run that. I like my 5200 too much to go intentionally kill it.
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So wait, are you saying you'll ride in a crit on a cheap aluminum frame to save your carbon bike but without medical insurance is no problem? I never understood that "flesh heels, bikes don't" mentality. It's a bike! An inanimate object that can be replaced, and to the best of my knowledge doesn't feel pain. Anyway, whatever you want to do, more power to you.
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What I don't get about "saving" your good bike from racing accidents is that 90% of these good bikes will end up being in mint shape after 5 years and 95% of riders will want to get rid of it anyways! Sure I wouldn't race a boutique high dollar frame, I'm poor, but if I got something nice like an R3 (yum!) I would race it as much as possible.
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Originally Posted by botto
how does dropping your bike, and having your nephew slam a door on you wheel count as a spill?
save the fancy bike for hilly RRs, race the beater in crits.
Those are in addition to the 3 spills (2 clipless snafus, 1 George Hincapie inpersonation).

I think you're where I'm at. I'm not say dont race it, but if you're a recreational racer who funds his equipment, chances are you're going to wreck in a season of crits. Now, if its a hilly race where or a small road race, you're probably fairly safe.

Good point, KrisA. Most people who can afford these frames will get another one in a few years.
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I ride a bike that's almost in the 3k range, and I still beat the heck out of it.

Thing is, I see it like any other performance machine, meant to take the rigors and mishaps of use as intended.

Think of the dents, scratches and gouges as battle scars, marks of pride, since you DO actually useit, and it's not just a display piece for slow wekend rides.
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Bikes are for riding regardless what price they are. Bikes that get ridden get damaged or wear. So what? I have had two wrecks in crits on my "fragile" full carbon bike. Bike has a few minor nicks and scapes, myself on the other hand look like hamburger.
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You obviously aren't into motorcycle racing then. It's the only sport I know of where people go buy ~$9000 brand new bikes, bring them to a race and then not hesitate to throw them in a ditch if it means getting by the next guy. In order to win, you gotta have the latest and greatest. Sometimes, that means not looking pretty though.
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Originally Posted by furiousferret
I haven't been cycling too long but correct me if I'm wrong will a Pedal Force QS2 with 105's give up that much performance to the bikes I listed. Maybe I'm missing something but it seems cycling is 95% the legs and 5% the bike.
Corrected to read 98% the legs, lungs and heart (aka will) and 2% the bike.

The poseurs on this forum who like to match their bar tape to the sidewalls on their tires don't understand this.
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just don't let your bike keep you from racing. if you don't want to mess up a $3K bike in a race, your results will be toast from being too hesitant. get a al beater for the crits and rr.

if you're $3K bike gives you confidence in a race, use that one instead.
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Race what you got. As many have said, its not so much the bike, its the rider. At the level of bike you are at, there is absolutely no perceptible funtional difference between your bike and one costing $4-5+k, assuming similar wheels and gears.

Use the money you save to go out on the racing circuit. Couple of thousand goes a long way in travel and lodging to distant races.

A bicycle is just a machine. I don't put them on a pedestal, bathe and caress them, revere them and give them offerings of carbon fibre, I ride them. Now, if I were fast and a sponsor gave me a very expensive bike, I would race it, but I wouldn't spend my money on it.
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I must say I get pretty gutted the first time I scratch a new toy, but after that its all good, you could always buy second hand, that way it comes pre scratched!!
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Originally Posted by rvabiker
What? You would own a beater for racing? You would ride you nice pretty litespeed on group rides and around town and ride the Trek 2100 for races. Wow.
I'm not sure thats such a crazy idea!!!

Unless you have deep pockets, why not ride a decent but inexpensive bike in crits (e.g. spesh allez with wheel upgrade) and then save your nice bike for training/group rides where you spend the majority of your time.
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Originally Posted by H1449-6
Corrected to read 98% the legs, lungs and heart (aka will) and 2% the bike.

The poseurs on this forum who like to match their bar tape to the sidewalls on their tires don't understand this.
Straight up and down! I really like the way you put that. +1 no question!
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