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Newb MAKING THE JUMP felt vs giant?

Old 05-07-06, 07:36 AM
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Newb MAKING THE JUMP felt vs giant?

Hailing from brooklyn...
i did some research...
test rode some bikes...
wanted to spend $800...
now looking at spending $2000!
CARBON FRAME!

the place of purchase:
r&a cycles

in the red corner:
Giant TCR Composite 2 '05 ($1895.00)

in the blue corner:
Felt F5C '06 ($1999.00)

right now leaning hard towards the felt f5c... (but its not full ultegra!)
first road bike purchase, but being a former runner, plan to put 30 miles a day on my purchase.

i know i can't go "wrong" with either... but if you could please vote on which you would prefer it would be greatly appreciated. (feel free to include reasons if you wish too.)
thanks again!
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I'm not sure what the components are on either (and i'm not gonna bother looking 'em up ).

I am going to tell you to go for the Giant. Sounds like a very good price, and besides - I'm far from objective. I bought my '05 TCR Comp 0 from R&A in january. Also got a nice price for it.

My only real suggestion - make sure that you have Felix fit you on whichever bike you choose. He's super thorough. I've switched from my 13 year old Cannondale to my TCR Comp, and have had NO problems what so ever. If anything, I've gotten faster, because Felix made some important tweaks to my position.



Originally Posted by 2l8
Hailing from brooklyn...
i did some research...
test rode some bikes...
wanted to spend $800...
now looking at spending $2000!
CARBON FRAME!

the place of purchase:
r&a cycles

in the red corner:
Giant TCR Composite 2 '05 ($1895.00)

in the blue corner:
Felt F5C '06 ($1999.00)

right now leaning hard towards the felt f5c... (but its not full ultegra!)
first road bike purchase, but being a former runner, plan to put 30 miles a day on my purchase.

i know i can't go "wrong" with either... but if you could please vote on which you would prefer it would be greatly appreciated. (feel free to include reasons if you wish too.)
thanks again!

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Old 05-07-06, 08:12 AM
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I like TCR
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Old 05-07-06, 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 2l8
i know i can't go "wrong" with either...
Very true. I'm biased, but I love my Felt. Many others have commented on how stiff it is. It's a racer. Ride them both if you can. Good luck with your new ride!
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please do some research on RAcycles before you buy from them

--I ignored several warnings and wish I had listened
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Originally Posted by Serpico
please do some research on RAcycles before you buy from them

--I ignored several warnings and wish I had listened
They have a bad rep, no doubt. I avoided even going there for years - even just to look because of it.

long story short, when i did go there, i was surprised at the service - it was good. when i bought my bike (week day morning in winter) the service was quick, polite, & helpful.

went back a few weeks ago to have the steerer cut down, on a hot/sunny/spring day and was taken care of asap.

and like i mentioned in my previous post - felix is fantastic

ymmv
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woah.

ive heard only good things about ra cycles...
what bad rep are you guys talkin bout?

i did test ride the tcr 3 '05 when feeling out carbon framed bikes...
waited this long for the '06 felts.
asked to test ride it @ ra and they said they don't do test rides.
when i asked why they said because you don't get an honest feel of the bike riding around the block.
but that being said, i honestly wouldnt know the difference between steel, alum, cf if not for test riding.

also... i heard the felt f5c is a stiffer ride. being a newb, what exactly does "stiffer" mean?
which is better for what I want to do (30 miles / day) hard and fast?
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Old 05-07-06, 07:29 PM
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I believe a "stiffer" bike will generate more of your power to the ground. A less stiff bike will soak up some of that power and won't let you reach your potential. Of course I'm an almost newb and may be totally wrong. Maybe a seasoned vet can give a better answer.

Thats pretty lame they don't do test rides. Will they at least put the bike on a trainer or something so you can see what they feel like? I test rode a few bikes a year ago and could tell the difference between all of them.

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Originally Posted by 2l8
which is better for what I want to do (30 miles / day) hard and fast?
IMHO, if you're going "hard and fast" you'd probably prefer the Felt.
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I was checking out the inventory of a local shop, and they have a Felt F4C for a closeout price of $1799. It's in Seattle and you can look at it at www.gerksalpinehut.com......No affiliation, just like their service and I remembered they had a lot of bikes on closeout prices....

I think they only have 54cm, 56cm, and 58cm, but if one of those is your size you can get the Ultegra/Dura-Ace version of the F5C you are looking at. And I think the red looks better than the blue (Even though I bought a blue F60 a year ago...)

Good Luck!
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I bought an F4C in january and I absolutely love it. I think it is the same frame as the F4c. I was also looking at a comparable giant but went with the felt.

The Felts are very sexy IMO.
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Old 05-07-06, 08:37 PM
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I absolutely love the looks of the Felts. They have advertisements in a lot of the mags, that show the F1C and I stop and stare at the pic every time I see it. That matte black paint and the shape of the frame just does it for me.
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Originally Posted by formulaben
IMHO, if you're going "hard and fast" you'd probably prefer the Felt.
yeah, my tcr comp is just awful when i'm going "hard and fast"
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If you are going to go for the Felt, get the F4C instead, you can get it probably for 2000, if you ask for that price, it is a way better deal than the F5C, but if you have a short torso and long legs I wouldn't go for a Felt.
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Originally Posted by botto
yeah, my tcr comp is just awful when i'm going "hard and fast"
LOL...everyone comments on how stiff the bike is while other rides have a bit more vertical compliance and the steering is a little more rec than race. I'm talking about a degree of difference, that last part that probably separates the bikes. My first post agreed with the OP that he "can't go wrong with either."
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well im SHORT (5'3")
SHORT LEGS to boot.

think i can haggle an f4c for 2000 @ ra?
i doubt it... ra is kind of strict w price they seem.

does the felt have tougher steering? is that what you guys mean by stiff?
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with all due repect to formulaben, i doubt that most BF posters can tell if there's any real difference betwen the felt and the tcr, vis-a-vis stiffness, myself included.

kind of like all of the reviews that say 'it corners like it's on rails'. what's that like? h€ll, i was a serious racer for quite awhile, and i know how to take a tight inside corner if i have to, but i've never taken cornered a bike on rails

OK, rant over.

move along, nothing to be seen here

at 5'3" either bike will be PLENTY stiff (unless you're 200+ lbs )



Originally Posted by 2l8
well im SHORT (5'3")
SHORT LEGS to boot.

think i can haggle an f4c for 2000 @ ra?
i doubt it... ra is kind of strict w price they seem.

does the felt have tougher steering? is that what you guys mean by stiff?
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Originally Posted by 2l8
does the felt have tougher steering? is that what you guys mean by stiff?
by steering, formulaben was saying that the riding position is more recreational than race meaning you don't lean as far down to reach the handlebars; you sit more upright and so it is more comfortable. the stiffness is in the frame. a stiffer frame would flex less, which means you will feel more vibrations from the road. but a stiff frame also means you don't lose as much power when you pedal (what x43x said)--so the bike accelerates quicker and feels faster.

i agree you can't go wrong with either choice. which one speaks to you more? the "correct" choice is the one that you feel most comfortable on, the one that fits you best. if i have to vote, i vote for the Felt, just bc i'm partial to Felt...even though i don't ride a Felt.
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It is a stiff frame which is good, but other frames have a bit more vertical compliance. It's about what your priorities are. I just spoke with a rider 2 days ago who rode the Felt and called it a Porsche...but she needed something a little nicer due to back problems. I find the ride to be just fine, but the Trek I rode seemed even better at dampening out the road harshness. As for the steering, it is a bit more "twitchy" because it is a race bike. I would try to ride a few bikes before you purchase if at all possible.
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Originally Posted by botto
with all due repect to formulaben, i doubt that most BF posters can tell if there's any real difference betwen the felt and the tcr, vis-a-vis stiffness, myself included.
All 3 people who have ridden my bike have immediately commented on how stiff it was in regards to pedaling and having the energy transfer, but still having the benefit of carbon dampening. All of them had rides that are over $2500. It's not my word(s), it's theirs. Having said that, I'm talking about a difference that would rate, say a 9.2 versus a 9.4...not a 9.0 versus a 7.4 on a rating scale.
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From what I know (which isn't much) I think the Giant has a compact frame and the Felt does not. It wasn't mentioned, but I think it's worth considering seeing as they are both relatively close in builds/components. They say compact frames do better on hills and with acceleration. For me personally, I hate hills. With a passion. So I take whatever help I can get.

On the other hand some people do say the compact looks like a "girls" bike. Also something to consider...
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isn't that pretty much the case with most CF frames? That's what i've read, and been told for about 15 years

Originally Posted by formulaben
All 3 people who have ridden my bike have immediately commented on how stiff it was in regards to pedaling and having the energy transfer, but still having the benefit of carbon dampening.
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Originally Posted by botto
isn't that pretty much the case with most CF frames? That's what i've read, and been told for about 15 years
Yeah, I guess, but 2 of the riders already had carbon frames!
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Originally Posted by gluckster2
They say compact frames do better on hills and with acceleration.
Hmm, I've never heard that and would be curious to see why/what the evidence is. A definite benefit of the compact geometry is a longer seat post, which helps in the ride dampening department.
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Originally Posted by 2l8
asked to test ride it @ ra and they said they don't do test rides.
Don't do test rides!!!! DING DING DING!!! Time to take your business elsewhere.

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