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Need input on new wheels

Old 05-07-06, 04:27 PM
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Need input on new wheels

I want to buy some new wheels to replace the Bontrager Selects on my Lemond. I have narrowed my search down to Ksyrium SLs or Easton Tempest IIs. Both are priced about the same. The Tempests are a little lighter. Most of my riding is 20-30 miles at a time. I also participate in triathlons. I want to feel a definate difference in weight and stiffness on the new wheels. I want them very stiff. I feel like the Ksyriums would be the stiffer of the two. Another guess is that even though the Kysiriums are heavier, the weight difference is in the spokes and not in the rims. This should allow the rim to still spin up quickly.

What are your thoughts?

I have looked at the American Classics, but I'm not in love. Of course if the Ksyrium ES wheels were a little cheaper, I would not be posting this. I have thought about other rims and custom rims, but at this time I would like to stick to either of these two. (someone will still suggest Open Pro / Ultegras I know).

I know that either wheel should give me good service. I just want to get the ones that fit my needs the best.

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what do you mean "not in love" with the AC's--did you ride them???

I'm not sure I understand your criteria, are you going by which "look cooler"--by all means get the Kysriums then

you should know, however, that wheels have the second largest impact on ride quality (behind frame design) and that they're pretty harsh wheels
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Old 05-08-06, 04:37 PM
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$400 - $900
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Just wanted to bump this thread. I too am considering new wheels in this price range, the Am. Classics in particular. Thanks.
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Old 05-26-06, 01:09 PM
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I've been extremely happy with the Easton/Velomax wheels that came on my Flyte. I have the Vista SL's, which are quite cheap (around $300), but I think a pair of Circuits or Orions might be in my future. Just a thought if you're looking in that price range...

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didn't American Classic have to recall most of their wheels last year over crap hubs?
 
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Not sure if you're at all interested, but this seems like a pretty good deal:

Bontrager Race X Lite's at $449 from $749.
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Old 05-26-06, 03:53 PM
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We'll I recently bought a pair of the Easton Vista SLs. They seemed like a lot of wheel for the price. I couldn't justify going up to the circuits.

I do wish that I had known about the sale on those Bontys. They are cool and that is a great price.
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Originally Posted by pedalgeek
Of course if the Ksyrium ES wheels were a little cheaper, I would not be posting this.
oh but they are, $850 from probikekit.com
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Easton Acents
Rolph Vigors
Maybe some of the neuvation stuff.
I had problems with Topolino AC29's but I seem to be the only one. Everyone else seems to love them and if you don't have any problems with them then they are probably the best wheel out there.

Mavic's are REALLY good but overpriced and too stiff for some.

I've blown through some expensive wheelsets though and the best I've settled on are my Ultegra/Open Pro's. At 1800 grams they're fairly light. 32 spokes, triple cross so they're pretty strong. They're not kitey in a crosswind like the ksyriums, neuvation, and topolino's I rode.
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Originally Posted by pedalgeek
$400 - $900
How about a custom SpeedDream set built by Dave Thomas? He built a 1411g set for me on White LTA hubs with Velocity Escape rims (tubular) and Wheelsmith ovalized spokes for $569 and they're awesome! You can also get them now with White's new H1 hubs and Sapim CX-ray spokes for $599. IMHO the performance of the White hubs matched with Dave's expertise as a wheelbuilder can't be beat for under $600.

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Wow it took 10 post and 2 1/2 weeks for someone to suggest the OP/Ultegra combo. I thought I was going to be wrong in my prediction.
I did consider them, but decided that I wanted more of an upgrade from the Bontrager Selects that came on my LeMond. I really wanted a more aero looking rim. The Vista SLs are exactly what I wanted. I did also look at the aero wheels that Mike Garcia has. They looked cool too. In the end, I decided to order the Eastons from my LBS for $299.00. I am impressed with the smoothness of the sealed bearings. I really didn't expect to feel the difference when riding, but I can. (I kept the same tires.) The rim has more lateral stiffness, but it it not too harsh.
I gave my daughter the Select wheels. They are still good wheels, I just wanted some bling. I think that the Bonty Selects should be suggested more to the people looking to buy wheels in the $200.00 price range. They are plenty strong. They weight about 1900 grams so they are not the lightest. Also I really like the Bontrager Race Light tires. For @ 30.00 they are a good fairly tough, dual compound tire. I don't see any reason to buy the $50 tires.
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Originally Posted by Serpico
what do you mean "not in love" with the AC's--did you ride them???

I'm not sure I understand your criteria, are you going by which "look cooler"--by all means get the Kysriums then

you should know, however, that wheels have the second largest impact on ride quality (behind frame design) and that they're pretty harsh wheels
Wheels don't measurably flex radially on normal roads. You will not notice a harness difference between any properly built wheels unless you lean the bike way over and feel lateral flex.

You can, however feel the difference between tires and different pressures.

I built a set of 36H Deep Vs, and they feel identical to a set of AC Sprint350s with thin spokes and low profile.
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Have you considered fsa rd 600- i have them on my new look, they are very quick and aerodynamic- they have a large center flange to which 6 of the eighteen spokes are attached. I now outrun lots of guys heavier than me coasting downhill. They are also cool looking and in your price range.
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Topolino wheels: made in the USA, 1383 grams (clinchers), in your price range.
Fantastic wheels . .. have over 3,000 miles on 'em.
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Check these out:
https://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=24

Hand built, super light (1443g for 32 spokes, 1416 for 28)...right in your price range ($380 + $250= $630). I'll be picking up a set before the summer is over.
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Originally Posted by Tommyp
Check these out:
https://www.excelsports.com/new.asp?p...jor=1&minor=24

Hand built, super light (1443g for 32 spokes, 1416 for 28)...right in your price range ($380 + $250= $630). I'll be picking up a set before the summer is over.
That is a very nice set. Quality parts too. I'm building a similar set for around $300 (Record hubs, Areohead rims 2x all around), but my estimate is that they will come out to be 1600g.
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I've been trying to pick between the Fulcrum Racing1 ($1100), Mavic Ksyrium ES ($1100), and the Spinergy Stealth Carbon ($1010). All of them look sweet and are comparable in price. Any experience with these wheels or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
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Originally Posted by TTULaw
I've been trying to pick between the Fulcrum Racing1 ($1100), Mavic Ksyrium ES ($1100), and the Spinergy Stealth Carbon ($1010). All of them look sweet and are comparable in price. Any experience with these wheels or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
wow that is a good prediciment to be in. I am also tossing up between the ES and the racing1. I'm pretty sure that they are very, very similar. Either of them will be fast and most importantly hard wearing. If you're spending that much on wheels you want them to last a while. Really you can't go wrong.
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Originally Posted by TTULaw
I've been trying to pick between the Fulcrum Racing1 ($1100), Mavic Ksyrium ES ($1100), and the Spinergy Stealth Carbon ($1010). All of them look sweet and are comparable in price. Any experience with these wheels or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
TTULaw- At $1,100 it looks like you're looking for top end wheels. If I were you, I'd consider upping the ante a bit because you're only $400 shy of some ultimate wheels in the Reynolds Cirro SV:



If you're thinking ES or Fulcrum 1 I'm guessing you're looking for top end low profile wheels, maybe for climbing? The Cirro SVs (also referred to as Mid-Vs) are 23mm profile, only 1170g. for the set, and are awesome for climbing. A riding buddy of mine races those on his C-50 and loves 'em. I ride a 1411g. Speed Dream set that I posted above and love those; but if I were springing for ultimate wheels I'd go Reynolds. They don't spend mega-bucks on marketing so there isn't quite the bling factor, but if you do some intensive searching I think you'll find they have an awesome reputation.

Cheers! - RJ
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So this is my dilemma, I got $1100 for graduation and I do what I always do. My price range is always bigger than my pocketbook. I started thinking I could get a $2200 bike. Unfortunately, even though I am a big graduate, I still do not have a job, and my wife put an end to my new bike dreams. I decided I would take the $1100 and put it toward a new set of wheels. This is my reason for not being to spend the extra $400. Because $400 turns into $600 and $600 turns into $1100 and I am looking at new bikes again, thinking I can get one. This is quickly followed by my wife reminding me that I don’t have a job and that she is the one paying the bills. This is why the $1100 limit has to be firm but thanks RJ for the suggestion.
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Rolf Vigor.
34mm profile.
Bladed spokes.
1450g weight.
Plenty stiff and reliable.

Cost? Can be found for $750 with a little shopping.

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How about a 1356 gm wheelset as below:
SpeedCific Perception Front Road Hub - 24 HOLE - BLACK 1
SpeedCific Bolt On Front Skewer - BLACK 1
SpeedCific Serenity Rear Road Hub - Shimano Compatible - 28
HOLE - BLACK
1
SpeedCific Bolt On Rear Skewer - BLACK 1
Interloc Racing Design 700c Cadence Rim - 24 HOLE - BLACK 1
Interloc Racing Design Cadence 700c VSR Rim - 28 HOLE -
BLACK
1
Wheelsmith AE15 spoke - BLACK - 287mm (Front - 0x) 25
Wheelsmith AE15 Spoke - BLACK - 284mm (Rear left - 1x) 15
Wheelsmith XE14 Spoke - 298mm - BLACK (Rear drive - 3x) 15
DT Swiss 15 Gauge Alloy Nipple - Black (Front and rear-left) 40
Sapim Poly-Ax 14 Gauge Aluminum Nipple - BLACK 15
Velocity Spoke Hole Plugs 54

All for $435 shipped from Mike Garcia for my giant TCR

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Originally Posted by TTULaw
So this is my dilemma... I decided I would take the $1100 and put it toward a new set of wheels... This is why the $1100 limit has to be firm but thanks RJ for the suggestion.
Aaaaah... I get where you're coming from TTULaw. Congrats on the grad by the way . It took me 14 yrs. to get my degrees so I know the sense of accomplishment it must be... Also gotta keep your wife happy . Either the ES or the Fulcrum 1 should be nice wheels. You might want to think custom though. IMHO, in the long run, the heart of an excellent wheelset is the hubs; how smooth they roll and for how long they roll smoothly. That's why I'm partial to White hubs; you can check them out here. I have the LTAs but the new H1s also look really nice. They support not only the hub body with precision bearings but the freehub as well. If you want to "talk wheels" with one of the most respected wheelbuilders in the industry, give Dave Thomas a call here (toll-free), tell him what kind of riding you do, and he'll probably tell you more than you want to know about wheel design. Good luck!

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