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Old 05-10-06, 01:51 PM
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Good Daily Aero Wheels

Well I guess I might as well step into the new century and buy some clincher wheels after riding tubulars for the past 20 years. Looking for some ideas, I would like to have a aero looking wheel that is tough enough for daily use. What I have looked at so far is the Mavic Cosmic Elite and the FSA 400/600 wheels. What are some other good wheels in that price range guys?
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Personally, for an everyday, bombproof wheel I would go with Velocity Deep V's laced 32 3x in back and 28 2x in front to Ultegra hubs...I didn't mean for that to be hypothetical, those are a set of wheels I own.


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I forgot about those, they do look good. What did it end up costing you for the set of Deep-V's after having them built up?
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The configuration I wanted needed to be custom built. I think the guy ended up charging me around 300 for the set. I thought it was rediculously cheap, but for some reason he likes me.
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Sounds pretty good could you give me his name and phone#?
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I commute on a set of Bontrager Select Aeros... not exotic, but not very expensive either. 24 spokes in the rear, 20 up front. The deep V's were also an option I was looking at.
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These guys have them for $260 shipped:

http://www.bikemania.biz/VeloCity_Ro...city_deepv.htm

but they use Velocity hubs, not Ultegra.

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Originally Posted by delay
The configuration I wanted needed to be custom built. I think the guy ended up charging me around 300 for the set. I thought it was rediculously cheap, but for some reason he likes me.
$50 rims (x2), $130 Hubset, $50 in spokes, and you know he gets a better price on them. Most wheel builders only figure in about $20-30 in labor per wheel, which is about a half hour's worth of time for them. I don't get why people think custom wheels have to cost so much. It's just the cost of the supplies and a little more for labor.
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Originally Posted by delay
Personally, for an everyday, bombproof wheel I would go with Velocity Deep V's laced 32 3x in back and 28 2x in front to Ultegra hubs...I didn't mean for that to be hypothetical, those are a set of wheels I own.


Are those considered 'aero' rims? I thought for the V to be effective, it needed to be about 2 inches deep or so.
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Aero starts at 40mm or higher. There are no benefits to deep section rims before you get there, except the rims are strong as hell (you pay a weight penalty of course).

So velocity deep v's are no.

And take off those decals, ugh. They spoil the otherwise very nice looking Bianchi.
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I've had no problems with my Xero XR-1s even though I put my 230lbs on them almost daily.

Edit: I guess at 30mm they aren't considered 'aero' either, but they are light and relatively inexpensive.

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Originally Posted by operator
Aero starts at 40mm or higher. There are no benefits to deep section rims before you get there, except the rims are strong as hell (you pay a weight penalty of course).

So velocity deep v's are no.

And take off those decals, ugh. They spoil the otherwise very nice looking Bianchi.
True. Deep V's aren't really aero. I like them because they are very stiff. I have actually used them in criteriums instead of lighter wheels because I enjoy the way they handle.

Also, the price I paid included the ultegra cassette. Any time I get something made for cheaper than I could have bought the parts for online, I consider it a success.

As for the decals...yeah your're probably right. I should take them off. The pictures really display how unattractive they are.
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Originally Posted by operator
Aero starts at 40mm or higher. There are no benefits to deep section rims before you get there, except the rims are strong as hell (you pay a weight penalty of course).

So velocity deep v's are no.

And take off those decals, ugh. They spoil the otherwise very nice looking Bianchi.
I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I'm just curious if you know why rims have to be 40mm or more deep before the aero effect kicks in.
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Don't do it...tubulars ride SOOO much better. You can get a Velocity rim called the Pro Elite which is a tubular version of the Deep V shown above...have them build as the others have suggested to your specs.

Man I love the ride of tubulars. <-just sold my clinchers having ridden my first set of tubulars 2 months ago...I'm not going back on my roadie (commuter still has clinchers).
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I'm just curious if you know why rims have to be 40mm or more deep before the aero effect kicks in.
Well it kicks in earlier than that, but nothing you'd see outside of a wind tunnel. There was some paper somewhere that gave a good overview of rim profile and aer0 stuff. I think it was on the cervelo site or zipp.

As for the decals...yeah your're probably right. I should take them off.
Think of the weight savings!
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There's no set standard for what is really considered deep "V" or not. 40mm? Sorry, but I have to call "rediculous" on that being a so called requirement to meet deep "V" standards.

Any wheel with a "V" profile will be better aerodynamically than a boxed rim. It just depends on how "aero" you want it, and for what application.

Those 32H Velocities above are bombproof, especially for heavier riders. I have the Xero XR-1's, and so far no problems. They are also light (1520g) and plenty aero for fast daily riding.
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I suggest the Bonty Race X-lite AEROS - though they apparently aren't really "aero" at 34 mm. They are kind of pricey at retail too and they only come in a 24 rear/20 front configuration.

On second that, don't get these cruddy wheels.

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Originally Posted by Patriot
There's no set standard for what is really considered deep "V" or not. 40mm? Sorry, but I have to call "rediculous" on that being a so called requirement to meet deep "V" standards.
Oh please. Go reread my post. and deep "v" is a velocity branding. I also call "rediculous" (sic) on the "requirements". Unless you're doing timetrials @ 30mph, those 20, 30mm deep section rims just aren't going to do jack all. I'm not denying that there's an aero benefit, it's just a very very small useless benefit. You sit up 2mm higher or fart and it's gone.
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I suggest the Bonty Race X-lite AEROS - though they apparently aren't really "aero" at 34 mm. They are kind of pricey at retail too and they only come in a 24 rear/20 front configuration.

On second that, don't get these cruddy wheels.

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Reading that, I was, like "OH YEAH...Okay...Oh...oooh...ugh..."

Great post
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Originally Posted by San Rensho
I'm not disagreeing with your statement, I'm just curious if you know why rims have to be 40mm or more deep before the aero effect kicks in.
Cuz some company making wheels with 40mm and greater rims said so. They used graphs and charts and all sorts of cool sounding terminology. Then some other guy did some "independent" testing and found at 40mm or greater a professional athlete could shave a couple seconds off a 20K ride. Then it got thrown all over the tri boards and before you know it's a new physics law.

Or it could just be the aero fairy only visits 40mm or greater wheels.

I'll suggest Velomax (Easton) Tempest II - yea, they're not 40mm so you won't get the aero fairy. They're also a bit pricey last time I checked. But you do get some cool stickers and they're top notch wheels.
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Originally Posted by TCR
Cuz some company making wheels with 40mm and greater rims said so. They used graphs and charts and all sorts of cool sounding terminology. Then some other guy did some "independent" testing and found at 40mm or greater a professional athlete could shave a couple seconds off a 20K ride. Then it got thrown all over the tri boards and before you know it's a new physics law.

Or it could just be the aero fairy only visits 40mm or greater wheels.

I'll suggest Velomax (Easton) Tempest II - yea, they're not 40mm so you won't get the aero fairy. They're also a bit pricey last time I checked. But you do get some cool stickers and they're top notch wheels.
I'm guessing that, since he's looking for every day and not TT racing wheels, he probably doesn't need an aero fairy anyway. The stickers sound pretty good.
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Thanks for the input guys. And yes for what I do on a bike it really does not matter that much which wheels I use, I just have grown to like the look of the more aero wheels. I guess the ones I am talking about are really not aero at 28mm to 30mm. I have not bought any clincher wheels yet but they do seem to be alot cheaper that any new tubular rims. I would love to have a set of Zipp 404s but they would almost be worth more than my whole bike. With the weight of most of the clincher wheel I have looked at in the $400-550 price range they seem pretty heavy compared to the old Tubular Araya Aero 1 rims with Ultegra hubs that I run now. Maybe I should just buy a cheap set of clincher wheels for now and save for a better set of tubular wheels later?

This whole thing started while going on some longer rides with friends and them talking me in to the peace of mind of having clinchers. The thing is come to think of it I have not had a flat with a tubular tire for over five years. The ones on my old bike now are pretty cut up from road crap in the tread area but are holding air fine.
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Originally Posted by RacerMike
I've had no problems with my Xero XR-1s even though I put my 230lbs on them almost daily.

Edit: I guess at 30mm they aren't considered 'aero' either, but they are light and relatively inexpensive.

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+1 on the XR-1's They are AERO-looking enough, especially when you look down at the front wheel while you're cruisin' along. the silver nipples between the black rim and spokes make a nice chrome halo.
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