R900 or Vigorelli
05-24-06, 10:13 PM
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R900 or Vigorelli
Love both bikes. Both ride well, but I've heard that steel is the way to go, but damn the Cannondale looks nice. Looking for your opinions. They are at two differents bike shops and both are willing to make an even swap for the stock rims for 36 spoke Mavic CXP-33's with Ultegra hubs.
Also considering a Veloce.
Also considering a Veloce.
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05-24-06, 10:21 PM
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you couldn't find two bikes more different
the cdale is a pure race bike, with a pretty aggressive geometry
the vigorelli and veloce are steel bikes with a less agressive geometry and more of a plush ride
is this the same shop? I'm surprised they would give you such complete opposites to choose from, maybe you should discuss your riding style and what you are looking for and see what they suggest
like going to a car dealer and they try to sell you a Lincoln Continental or a Chevy Corvette
good luck
the cdale is a pure race bike, with a pretty aggressive geometry
the vigorelli and veloce are steel bikes with a less agressive geometry and more of a plush ride
is this the same shop? I'm surprised they would give you such complete opposites to choose from, maybe you should discuss your riding style and what you are looking for and see what they suggest
like going to a car dealer and they try to sell you a Lincoln Continental or a Chevy Corvette
good luck
05-24-06, 10:25 PM
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The Vigorelli is an extremely nice bike IMO, I've had the fortunate experience to test one out. I'd have to say it was easily the smoothest and lightest steel-framed production bike I've been on.
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Originally Posted by Serpico
you couldn't find two bikes more different
the cdale is a pure race bike, with a pretty aggressive geometry
the vigorelli and veloce are steel bikes with a less agressive geometry and more of a plush ride
is this the same shop? I'm surprised they would give you such complete opposites to choose from, maybe you should discuss your riding style and what you are looking for and see what they suggest
like going to a car dealer and they try to sell you a Lincoln Continental or a Chevy Corvette
good luck
the cdale is a pure race bike, with a pretty aggressive geometry
the vigorelli and veloce are steel bikes with a less agressive geometry and more of a plush ride
is this the same shop? I'm surprised they would give you such complete opposites to choose from, maybe you should discuss your riding style and what you are looking for and see what they suggest
like going to a car dealer and they try to sell you a Lincoln Continental or a Chevy Corvette
good luck
05-24-06, 10:35 PM
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My only reservation with the Bianchi is, that we only have/had two dealers in town, and one stopped selling them because the owner said that they had a problem with a number of frames breaking, so that's why he quit carrying Bianchi. Now I don't know if this is purely BS or not, but he planted the seed of doubt.
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It's BS. Bianchi frames don't break. Bianchi's been around for over 120 years - if their frames liked to break, they'd be out of business long, long ago.
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personally I would choose the cdale, just imo
cdale has lots of experience building race bikes, and gets tons of input from racers--they're made in Bedford, Pennsylvania
the Bianchi has the Bianchi branding on it, but it's essentially a taiwanese frame designed for bike enthusiasts--you won't find this in the European Peloton nor will you find domestic teams on them
I'm not saying you're a racer, or that you want a race bike, or even that that is necessarily desirable (race bike per se)--but the caad frameset has a huge base of input (comments from pros that race on them) to work from and they have been refined constantly
having said that, I'm sure the Bianchi is a much more forgiving ride--especially over long hauls (50+ miles)
good luck
cdale has lots of experience building race bikes, and gets tons of input from racers--they're made in Bedford, Pennsylvania
the Bianchi has the Bianchi branding on it, but it's essentially a taiwanese frame designed for bike enthusiasts--you won't find this in the European Peloton nor will you find domestic teams on them
I'm not saying you're a racer, or that you want a race bike, or even that that is necessarily desirable (race bike per se)--but the caad frameset has a huge base of input (comments from pros that race on them) to work from and they have been refined constantly
having said that, I'm sure the Bianchi is a much more forgiving ride--especially over long hauls (50+ miles)
good luck
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I own the Vigorelli frame (Celeste/TI color scheme) 55cm. For sale.
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
I own the Vigorelli frame (Celeste/TI color scheme) 55cm. For sale.
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
05-25-06, 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
I own the Vigorelli frame (Celeste/TI color scheme) 55cm. For sale.
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
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Originally Posted by Corsaire
I own the Vigorelli frame (Celeste/TI color scheme) 55cm. For sale.
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
It has served for 2 1/2 good years, plush, sweet steel.
Corsaire
How much?
PM me.
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Originally Posted by Serpico
personally I would choose the cdale, just imo
cdale has lots of experience building race bikes, and gets tons of input from racers--they're made in Bedford, Pennsylvania
the Bianchi has the Bianchi branding on it, but it's essentially a taiwanese frame designed for bike enthusiasts--you won't find this in the European Peloton nor will you find domestic teams on them
I'm not saying you're a racer, or that you want a race bike, or even that that is necessarily desirable (race bike per se)--but the caad frameset has a huge base of input (comments from pros that race on them) to work from and they have been refined constantly
having said that, I'm sure the Bianchi is a much more forgiving ride--especially over long hauls (50+ miles)
good luck
cdale has lots of experience building race bikes, and gets tons of input from racers--they're made in Bedford, Pennsylvania
the Bianchi has the Bianchi branding on it, but it's essentially a taiwanese frame designed for bike enthusiasts--you won't find this in the European Peloton nor will you find domestic teams on them
I'm not saying you're a racer, or that you want a race bike, or even that that is necessarily desirable (race bike per se)--but the caad frameset has a huge base of input (comments from pros that race on them) to work from and they have been refined constantly
having said that, I'm sure the Bianchi is a much more forgiving ride--especially over long hauls (50+ miles)
good luck
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Looks like the LBS owner made the decision for me. The owner of the store where the Bianchi is, told me today that the price is now $2400. He said the base price for the Vigorelli on the Bianchi website is wrong, and now he's charging me for the wheel swap. I asked him what changed from yesterday, and he said that he made a mistake and quoted me wrong. What an a-hole.
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Originally Posted by nosrednayma
Looks like the LBS owner made the decision for me. The owner of the store where the Bianchi is, told me today that the price is now $2400. He said the base price for the Vigorelli on the Bianchi website is wrong, and now he's charging me for the wheel swap. I asked him what changed from yesterday, and he said that he made a mistake and quoted me wrong. What an a-hole.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
Err I can see charging you for a wheel upgrade as long as it is negotiated...but the web site is wrong? BS
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Originally Posted by nosrednayma
Yeah, but based on the price on their website, he wants to charge me $600 for a wheel upgrade. What a joke.
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Originally Posted by Grasschopper
For what wheels? The Ksyrium Equipes have to be worth $200-$300 in trade value...unless you are keeping those too.
