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Lance's cancer caused by EPO?

Old 05-29-06, 07:07 PM
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Lance's cancer caused by EPO?

I read an excerpt of David Walsh's book "LA Confidential" featured in another book "Lance Armstrong's War" where Walsh states that EPO usage causes testicular cancer.

An medical docs here at BF? Is this possible?
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Old 05-29-06, 07:18 PM
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A google search on Greg Strock and Rene Wenzel may reveal more enlightening info on this topic.
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Steroids such as testosterone, andriol etc.. have been shown to cause an increase in the growth of cancerous and viral cells etc...

And yes, Pro Cyclists use test. etc.. not to bulk up, but to speed up recovery and gain lean muscle mass
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Old 05-29-06, 07:23 PM
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I've heard that abusing drugs leads to posting absurd threads. But who knows?
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
I've heard that abusing drugs leads to posting absurd threads. But who knows?
ROFL!!! What he said.
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Old 05-29-06, 07:40 PM
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Now, it's not my specialty or anything, but I'm pretty sure that's a load of crap.

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So, put down the bottle of EPO and save your coconuts if that is what you believe. Lance knows what he did or did not do, how many years do we have to endure this? He is the most tested human on the planet since the beginning of time and no one has ever caught him doping, how do you prove a negative? It looks like you are really looking for info and not trying to stir things up, but I grow tired of the witch hunt. Tons of pros have tested positive some even get hero status in their country, yet Lance is still being bashed in retirement for clean tests.
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So, put down the bottle of EPO and save your coconuts if that is what you believe. Lance knows what he did or did not do, how many years do we have to endure this? He is the most tested human on the planet since the beginning of time and no one has ever caught him doping, how do you prove a negative? It looks like you are really looking for info and not trying to stir things up, but I grow tired of the witch hunt. Tons of pros have tested positive some even get hero status in their country, yet Lance is still being bashed in retirement for clean tests.
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Isn't EPO a drug used in cancer patients for helping them cope with the effects of chemothepary?
If LA had EPO in his blood in his comeback Tour I would suspect it to be the result of his cancer treatment not the other way around.
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Originally Posted by gpelpel
Isn't EPO a drug used in cancer patients for helping them cope with the effects of chemothepary?
If LA had EPO in his blood in his comeback Tour I would suspect it to be the result of his cancer treatment not the other way around.
yes it is used for cancer treatments to keep their hemacrit levels up and yes LA did have it during his treatment, its in his first book, the effects wear off very quickly, long before his tour riding post cancer
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Originally Posted by jjmolyet
He is the most tested human on the planet since the beginning of time and no one has ever caught him doping, how do you prove a negative?
so LA says and as of yet there is no proof of this at all, tested alot sure, most tested, doubt it, its heresay
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He may not be the most tested but I'm sure it was waaay up there. And he's always come up clean. People do get higher cancer risks from certain kinds of doping (most recently heard about some kind of growth hormone that rumors had some cyclists taking - stuff was undetectable to current testing according to the article), but people also just get cancer. A pro cyclist pushing his body and therefore his immune system to the extreme just got testicular cancer? That's certainly in the realm of plausible. People want to contantly crucify him - I'm not a blindly loyal die hard fan of his, but c'mon, give the guy a break until a smoking gun is presented. Don't accuse him just because he wins a lot. That doesn't sound like a dirty winner but more like a bunch of poor losers to me....
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Lance, for the most part, was a nobody before his cancer....why would he continue to use these drugs after he almost died from them?
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what people really need to understand about Armstrong is this: without getting cancer he wins ZERO tdf's period, he freely admits this yet nobody understands it, its a very very important thing to grasp here, even though cancer almost killed him, it did one thing almost no amount of training could do or would ever do........improved his power to weight ratio drastically, without that he had no chance at all
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I did a quick web search of a few of the better web sites, and can't come up with any reported cases of that for procrit.
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It is much more likely that he developed testicular cancer "naturally", than as a side effect of any medication. It is most common in young men (20's and early 30's), and predominately amongst white men. I don't know of any link between Epogen and malignancies...it certainly isn't beyond the realm of possibility.

This drug is much maligned in the cycling world due to abuse, but it really is a life-saver. Not just for cancer patients, who use it short-term, but for renal failure patients, who take it for years. I've cared for many end-stage renal patients who used Epogen, and none of them, that I recall, developed cancer as a result.
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I thought that a test of an older Lance sample from the Tour de France 1999 was positive under current testing.

Regardless, does anyone here really think he has been totally clean throughout his entire professional career? Please.
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Originally Posted by pedex
yes it is used for cancer treatments to keep their hemacrit levels up and yes LA did have it during his treatment, its in his first book, the effects wear off very quickly, long before his tour riding post cancer

Some scientific types are wondering if extra or leftover EPO may be broken down to an almost molecular level, then harbored in the body for future use. Organs like the liver, spleen, etc, could hang onto these components, then at a future time of need (extreme physical exercise would fall into this category) these components would be reassembled by the body back into EPO for use in elevating a person's Hct.
Unfortunately, it would be prohibitively difficult and expensive to determine if it is actually true.
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Originally Posted by KeatonR
I thought that a test of an older Lance sample from the Tour de France 1999 was positive under current testing.

Regardless, does anyone here really think he has been totally clean throughout his entire professional career? Please.
6 urine samples actually IIRC, I dont think many riders are clean at all, their hemacrit levels give that away, I think many have switched to micro-dosing and moved on to better drugs actually, also restricting the race schedules has helped a bit too
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Originally Posted by pedex
what people really need to understand about Armstrong is this: without getting cancer he wins ZERO tdf's period, he freely admits this yet nobody understands it, its a very very important thing to grasp here, even though cancer almost killed him, it did one thing almost no amount of training could do or would ever do........improved his power to weight ratio drastically, without that he had no chance at all
Not to mention adding the emotional toughness of an already world-class endurance atheletes.
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Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
I've heard that abusing drugs leads to posting absurd threads. But who knows?
I didn't know you had humor in you, abh.
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Lance has admitted to using EPO - it was part of his cancer treatment.

EPO is commonly prescribed to people in chemotherapy as a recovery aid. I find it curious that, if EPO caused cancer, doctors would prescribe it as part of the cure.
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Originally Posted by timmyquest
Lance, for the most part, was a nobody before his cancer.
Yeah, World Champions aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.
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Everything causes cancer.

Originally Posted by tinrobot
Lance has admitted to using EPO - it was part of his cancer treatment.

EPO is commonly prescribed to people in chemotherapy as a recovery aid. I find it curious that, if EPO caused cancer, doctors would prescribe it as part of the cure.
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Originally Posted by timmyquest
Lance, for the most part, was a nobody before his cancer....why would he continue to use these drugs after he almost died from them?
Really...I thought he was the (at the time) youngest rider to ever win the World road championship, as well as a stage winner in the Tour day France....

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