WhyFi

Is that meant to be an answer to my question? It's a pretty straightforward question, isn't it?

FLvector

Without knowing the OP or his history on the forum, I tend to take people for their word and try not to read into it. My take on it is it likely resulted from a recent training ride that had a few newcomers join in, some yelling resulted during the ride and the OP felt the need to share that experience. As a mod, you have a much better pulse on what's really behind some of the comments and responses than I do since I don't spend much time here. And you're right, I really don't give a damn since it doesn't affect my world directly.

I do realize with some additional background knowledge the intent could have been very different. Maybe a little chest thumping or a desire to stir the pot? Who knows? But sometimes ignorance is bliss and in cases like this I'm very bliss.

ColaJacket

Only if you're in the Clydesdale/Athena group.

GH

3alarmer 

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...I coulda been a contendah.

halfspeed

Some might, but I've never met one. Not that it's particularly practical to do so since you can't really exclude someone from slotting in if they're determined to do so.

wphamilton

It all sounds like a misunderstanding, feeling like people are yelling at the noob to humiliate him for the rush of the ego power trip versus just trying to keep things safe and flowing smoothly.

I'll bet that it could all be avoided if the paceline group was more pro-active right at the start. Before the ride starts, when everyone is leaning on their handlebars or whatever you do, suddenly point at the guy you don't recognize and everyone start screaming "We're gonna yell at you! If you screw up!". All at once. But keep it going for a bit to let it sink in. That way everything would be clear from the start.

Vicegrip

If they don't get the hint with polite common sense yell at them. I cant say I have had someone drop into a pace line I was part of that was not part of the known group. Wheel suckers drop into group rides kind of thing happens often enough sure but not when we were in a tight formation working as a team.

Thread seems to be more about the egos of those arguing than the OP and his point.

halfspeed

It depends upon the ride, the group, where you are and whether or not the ride is publicized. One of the nice things about being a road cyclist is that you can fit in with group rides just about anywhere and I've done so quite often when traveling. I usually make it a point to contact them beforehand explaining my intentions and experience. If I'm just picking up on a group, I watch them from the back first to see if they seem to know what they are doing and then I'll politely ask to join. Some rides are so well known that a large percentage of the participants will be non-locals looking to test their legs. (The Shootout Ride in Tucson is like that.) If you're competent, you can fit in anywhere. I suspect the OP's ride is quite well-known in his locale and lots of n00bs who want to find out if they're fast show up to test their legs, some of them without the requisite skills. Hence, the frustration.

Vicegrip

Agree. I suspect the bold part is lost on some. OP's frustration can also be read as arrogance. I too mix between public rides and tight paceline rides. I don't expect public rides to be as well formed as rides with known riders. Common sense dictates if you jump into a fast tight paceline you should know what you are doing. The OP, like him or not, noted there were other nights where you could hop in and learn. I would not expect to be yelled at in that group just as I would not expect it was OK to learn the basics on "fast" night. Once past the basics of this the "personalities" of the posters tend to taint the conversation of this long standing often amusing thread.

EventServices

Is that really what you think, BillyD? A troll thread? That I was just starting a fight for fight's sake? Not my style.

I point to DrPete's complete 180 as one example of how the thread succeeded.

OldsCOOL

This is no troll thread. This here is fine entertainment.

bakes1

What I don't understand is why would the OP (quite obviously an elitist with an ego) think that the rest of us would care about or be intimidated by him yelling at us?
Does he also think he is particularly scary?

DaveWC

If you want to ride in a fast group ride, there are expectations. The OP details the expectations for this person's group. Ignore those rules & you get yelled at. No one said you should be or will be intimidated but I imagine that what they might be yelling is "Get the f*&k out of our group!" It's not a matter of you being scared, it's information. I'm betting that some riders have complained that they were yelled at.

wphamilton

To be fair to OP, the original post is about inexperienced riders jumping into a double rotating paceline at 30 mph and then winging it. The thread, like OP's paceline crashers, seems to veer off in all directions but that's not OP's fault.

bakes1

Uhh, "Get the f*&k out of our group!" is not information in any way, shape or form.
It is an elitist rant.
And based upon the OP, there were no specific rules laid out. His group just yells at random riders that show up or hop in. I believe his exact quote was "new riders jumping into our line and trying to roll with us"
Next..

bakes1

I agree.
OP makes all valid points.
If not for the false "no ego" claim followed by the example of yelling at other riders it would be a great post imo

Homebrew01

The local shop ride I used to do allowed anyone to ride in the A,B,C or D rides. Someone would usually introduce themselves and give the new rider a quick overview of the 4 groups so they could pick the best one.

gregf83 

Why do you associate yelling with ego? The riders are simply concerned with their safety and enjoyment of their ride. There is an expectation that anyone joining should understand the ride requirements.

A bit like entering a golf tournament and walking in front of someone's line. You'll likely get yelled at. Nothing to do with ego.

bakes1

I don't associate yelling with ego.
I associate people stressing/stating that they have no ego with ego

halfspeed

I suspect that if the OP had left out all mention of egos, it wouldn't have made one bit of difference in the reaction the post received.

DaveWC

The words "Get the f*&k out of our group!" were my words, not those of the OP. The information / specific rules I referred to were those that were laid out clearly in the OP. It appears that of all the bruised egos possible, yours is first in line. No idea why that might be. I imagine that if you were to join one of the fast rides the OP referred to, they would only see your bare back as you flew by, gleefully ignoring their rules.

EventServices

No, not really. I don't yell to intimidate. I yell to correct an immediate situation that can quickly become a dangerous problem. If you choose to whisper at moments like that, go ahead, but I would challenge the effectiveness.

If you're able to ignore someone's yelling and you continue to threaten their well-being (as well as your own) after it's been highlighted, THAT might be an ego.

bakes1

Wow
There is no accounting for how obtuse people can be these days
Of course they were not the op's words.
They were your words in defense of the op and they quite obviously made no sense so I pointed it out.

bakes1

And for the record, the most comical part of this entire thread is the rampant misuse of the word 'elite' by all the wannabes such as the OP and his jersey grabbing mates.
Elite is the best of the best. The very pinnacle.
Top professionals getting paid to ride are the only people in the world on two wheels that can be called elite in any way, shape or form.
Every single rider in the world below their level is simply another amateur of varying skill level.
The truth shall set you free boys and girls.

datlas 

Hi! What's this thread about?