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need help with pain after long rides!!

Old 06-13-06, 10:41 PM
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need help with pain after long rides!!

well this saturday I did a 200km ride at clermont florida. it was a nice ride pretty much flat, weather guy said it would be 96 but I am sure it reached 100.

well anyways after the 70 miles point I started to feel unconftable on my butt area....

than at mile 90 it was very unconftable, had to paddle and than stand up to reliev the pain ..... did that till the end (mile 125)

after the ride I immediately took the short off and noticed that my butt cheeks were very red and with a hash .....
I actually had to use some oiment to reduce the pain and inflamation ....

so do you guys use some product on the shorts before the ride to prevent this from happening ?

I have a specialized avatar 143 saddle and an pearl izumi 3d that has red padding ....

on my usual 30 - 40 miles ride it feels comftarble no pain and no numbness !!!

if it wasnt for this unconfort I think i could have done another 100 miles

thanks all !!!
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Old 06-14-06, 12:02 AM
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Is this your first time doing such a long event? Or is it something that you have done before? Initially I think there is a certain amount of butt break-in that occurs with most people. However, it sounds like for you there's a lot more going on. Since I'm female I can't speak to the guy specifics, but in general there are a lot of people who use stuff like "Chamois Butt-R" or other cream on their shorts to reduce friction, similar to the "body glide" that runners use.

Machka probably has some good ideas since she does brevets and long-distance stuff
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Old 06-14-06, 12:02 AM
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These are the causes of saddle sore/rash types of problems:

1. Your bicycle is incorrectly set up (saddle too high, saddle too low, saddle tilted wrong). If it is too low, you'll rub more and have more friction. If it is too high, you'll rock.

2. You've got the wrong saddle - those gel things or any kind of saddle where you sink into soft cushioning cause more friction. I went to a Brooks saddle, where my sitbones are perched on the saddle, with great results.

3. Your shorts are too loose. If they are loose they travel and that causes friction. I have trouble when my shorts have reached their 2-year mark, and what a HUGE difference a new, snug, pair of shorts makes. I do not wear a pair of shorts that is more than 2 years old on long rides.

4. You've got the wrong shorts. After my previous shorts started giving me trouble I went shorts hunting and was appalled by the number of shorts that had their chamois seams right across my sitbones (and I don't have wide hips!). Like I want to be sitting on seams for 24+ hours!! I bought the one and only pair with a chamois that covered my sitbones.

5. You wear underwear under your padded shorts. Underwear causes friction, and if the underwear is cotton, it can also hold moisture there which can lead to the problems in the next two points.

6. You ride in wet weather - if you ride any sort of distance in rain, you want some sort cream (I'll get to that in a minute) on your friction points. Your skin is more sensitive and fragile in wet weather.

7. You ride in hot weather - same sort of thing as riding in wet weather except the moisture is not created by rain, but rather by sweat.

8. You forget to use your cream on a ride of 100 miles or more (unless it's hot and wet, you shouldn't need it for rides less than 100 miles).

9. You don't shower and clean yourself well right after the ride, or depending on the length of the ride, a few times in the middle of the ride.
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There are various products you can use if you are caught in the rain, or if it is very hot such as Bag Balm, Chamois Buttr, and my favorite Johnson's and Johnson's Daily Protection cream.

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And as for what to do if you get a saddle sore or rash ... apply zinc oxide. Get ahold of Johnson's and Johnson's Diaper Rash Ointment (with zinc oxide) or something similar with a high zinc oxide content and apply liberally before going to bed at night. In the morning everything will be OK.

If for some reason it is not gone by in a couple days, have it seen to by a Dr.


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wow Machka, thanks for all the tips! Great write-up!

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thanks for so many tips ....
it was very hotthat day....

I looked for that cream but couldn't find it ... are you sure that is the name ??
also on long ride I use the cream before the ride or just after ???

and which saddle would recomend ?

thanks a lot for the tips !!!

have a good week
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Old 06-14-06, 07:43 AM
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Certain types of chamois/pads also react to some people's skin. If I use any thing labeled "Wiktek", I get a rash. As for saddles, nobody can tell you what will work for you, trial and error is the only way. Most of us have tried a variety of saddles, but, generally, softer is worse for long rides.
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Old 06-14-06, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by willfred
thanks for so many tips ....
it was very hotthat day....

I looked for that cream but couldn't find it ... are you sure that is the name ??
also on long ride I use the cream before the ride or just after ???

and which saddle would recomend ?

thanks a lot for the tips !!!

have a good week
Yes, I'm sure that's the name of the cream ... but it is possible it might not be available in the US .... in which case you might go for Chamois Buttr, Bag Balm, or possibly something else in the baby department of your local department store or pharmacy. Just be sure of one thing: products with zinc oxide are for AFTER the ride not DURING the ride. If you use a product with zinc oxide during a ride, it becomes very, very messy and sticky and doesn't really help at all. So if you select some things from the baby department, check their ingredients ... use the one(s) without zinc oxide during the ride, and use the one(s) with zinc oxide after the ride (after your shower).

As for the saddle, I personally recommend the Brooks B-17. I've never been so comfortable in a saddle. I've even done fairly lengthy rides on that saddle without cycling shorts ... in regular everyday shorts ... and have been very comfortable.
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The thing I dicovered when I started doing centuries is that mile 65 is where all the problems show up. You can think everything is perfect on you training rides and then suddenly you are in for 35 miles of pain management.

I use Bag Balm for my long distance problem spots. I put it on me, not on the shorts. You can get a tin of it in any drug store for about $7. It is a green square tin that looks like it was designed in the 50s.I have never had a problem since I started using it. I have mostly lived in hot climates: Myrtle Beach, SC, Miami, and Pasadena.
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Old 06-14-06, 03:59 PM
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it's helpful to build up the time on the bike so as you're comfortable with the increasing mileage. add an hour one week. then another the next. reduce mileage. then, add another couple the next week after that. that said, you're now getting in the zone. ride more and your body will adjust. it'll still be uncomfortable, just not as much. and it won't neccessarily hurt either.

ever play guitar? at first your finger tips are raw, cracking, painful. after some time on the fretboard you develop callouses. it's sort of the same principle. i mean, i don't have callouses on my butt, but it is tougher than it was in february
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Originally Posted by bigskymacadam
ever play guitar? at first your finger tips are raw, cracking, painful. after some time on the fretboard you develop callouses. it's sort of the same principle. i mean, i don't have callouses on my butt, but it is tougher than it was in february
I never went through the cracking phase, but I remember the pain part.....

The weird thing is, I can literally not play my guitar for a year, pick it up, and my fingers still don't hurt. I think I have perma-callouses on my fingers.
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One other tip:

Make sure you stand up for a while now and then. Getting the weight off of your butt for a minute or so can make a big difference in the long run.

And +1 on the Chamois Butt'r, though I find it useful on rides that are over 50 miles...
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