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Old 06-14-06, 07:21 PM
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Relocation Help?

Well after almost 12 years I have decided the AF and I have different ideas on how I want to spend my life, I'm looking for somewhere to settle down and call "home". After lots of job searching I have narrowed it down to 3 choices, all 3 doing the same job just in different locations. So here are my choices, the first 2 I have offers and the last I expect the offer to come at anytime. The first offer was for Denver, actually Aurora, CO. The second was Harrisburg, PA. The third is expected to come in from Birmingham, AL. Now for a little background. I am originally from B'ham and most of my family is still in that area. My wife has family in the Denver area. I also have a family member in Harrisburg. I pretty much know about the riding and living in B'ham but any added info will be helpful, I haven't "lived" there in 12 years but have visited often. The wife knows some about the Denver/Aurora area but it could be up to a year before she would be moving there so I would kind of be learning on my own for awhile, have been there to visit a few times but by no means no my way around. I have only been to Harrisburg once and it was only for a day, so I have the least info on it. Any and all help is greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance!
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Wow, southwest, south and eastern culture.

What are you looking for. I would say B'ham has the lowest cost of living. Schools might not be the best, but it's a cool location which is close to Tennessee, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida. It has mild winters and brutal (heat+humidity) summers. Of the ones you mentioned I think I would choose B'ham.

While I love the Desert Southwest, Denver is just too big, too cold, and too expensive for me.

PA--well it's PA, and I"m from Ohio, and have no desire to back above the Mason-Dixon line to live.
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I got a job offer in Aurora CO as well (you don't work for GM do you?) I turned it down.. I like it too much here in the pacific NW..
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Birmingham. Its in the South. 'nuff said.
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I don't like Denver at all. Traffic is torrid and the air is terrible. There are designated days when you're permitted to use your fireplace. The city is so poor that they can't clear their roads 24 hours after a snowstorm. Plus, not a single supermarket in Denver sells veal breast.
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I'm moving to Denver in the Fall. I grew up in RI and am living there now. I've spent a couple of months in colorado over the last couple years and I love it, I can't wait untill I move there permintly.
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You can ride mountains and not have to live with your wife for a year...uh...what's the catch?
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I spent 6 years in State College, which is about 1-1.5 hrs from Harrisburg, but needless to say, I drove through Harrisburg rather frequently on the way to the in-laws.

There are some ok climbs around there, but I never got the best impression of the area. I'd take the Aurora job personally. I'm still kicking myself in the arse for not taking my offer to go to U. Colorado @ Boulder for grad school.....
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Originally Posted by rnhood
Birmingham. Its in the South. 'nuff said.
wasn't that eloquent.

i'll do you one better: definitely not Birmingham. It's in the South. 'nuff said
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Tell you something about Aurora CO. My sister lives there, in the Cherry Creek school district nonetheless. One day some vandals threw a rock through her window. The police told her to take some pics and come to the station to file a report.

I went for a ride one summer and almost hacked up my left lung the air was so bad.
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Anywhere but PA.
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Go where the life will be best for you and your wife. Relatives dont matter, because you dont have to see them if you dont want to.
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Originally Posted by AndrewP
Go where the life will be best for you and your wife. Relatives dont matter, because you dont have to see them if you dont want to.
This is kind of what I am trying to determine. I'm not so concerned about the closeness of the relatives, although it can be helpful at times especially when moving into a new area. I am just trying to get some insight and opinions on the areas I've mentioned. The ultimate decision will come down to where we will be happiest, although without actually "trying" out all three areas it will be somewhat of a guess. I am particularly interested in what people think about these areas in terms of living and riding. I appreciate the opinions of those who've helped so far! Keep them coming...

Psimet2001, although it can have its good points it will also have its bad.
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Well, as you know B'ham is not the best for cycling. Everything is either a hill or a valley, and the main roads that go along valleys are very busy. Cyclists are alien out in the country.
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Hi! I moved back to Birmingham two years ago after being a military spouse for 8. For me it was a great move.
1 Fantastic Health Care
2 Close to the beach without being in the path of a hurricane
3 Birmingham has grown education/shopping/ most important biking community (Actually Inverness area for schools is a good choice)
4 Great weather
5 Relatively low crime
6 Low cost of living
7 They are planning this huge "Nature" park with trails and a lake ect... in the Red Mountain area.
8 Naked Vulcan
9 Southern Charm
10. No one looks at me funny when I say "ya'll" or "fixin to"
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JFaust, Thanks for your input. I love some of your top 10 list also, especially 9 & 10, hun. I guess I should have stated in my OP that I am in Columbus, MS right now which also makes B'ham by far the most convient and easiest to "check out" before any decision. I also have pretty much been in the South my whole AF career, from S. GA to NC to NW LA and now here in Columbus, MS. So as far as the things that some dislike about the South, ie heat and humidity, these are things that I have dealt with most of my life. That doesn't mean I like it but it won't be a culture shock or anythiing by being in the South. With that said it is also part of the reason I have looked at other areas. Maybe I should broaden my experiences, or maybe I should just stay with what I know?
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I may have a slightly non cycling opinion on these towns.
Though I live in Omaha, I have traveled to all of these places and stayed worked for a month or so in B'ham and Harrisburg. While Denver is like a suburb of NE for me (they just don't know it).

I would pick Denver in a heartbeat, and not only for personal and family reasons. You can bike there. You are only 45-60 minutes from the mountains and skiing, biking and hiking. If you to bike the flat you got it there, if you want to climb-- go up a pass. Something in between is there as well. There is plenty of BIG scenery.

Do note, a Nebraskan complimenting Denver in a public forum means something, it doesn't happen very often.

Maybe a PA person would disagree, but H'burg didn't seem to be the most thriving city in the world. What happens when you want to move jobs? In Denver and B'ham I would feel more confident in finding something to do. It is very pretty around that part of PA, WV, MD, VA I am sure with a little inverstigation you would be able to find some really cool rides. I went up to Sunbury on two different routes and remember thinking how much better it would be with my bike.

B'ham's in the south, but if you know the place why not? The city seemed to be a pretty busy, thriving place. Too hot and muggy for me though.
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I have never cycled in Birmingham or Denver...

However, the most beautiful organized ride I have been on was just west of Harrisburg (The Tour de Cure).

The only other organized ride I have done was in the central valley of California.

A couple of organized rides each year in that area are the Three Creek Century by the Harrisburg club, and the Covered Bridges Metric Century in Lancaster. The Tour de Cure (which I rode) covers some of the same roads as the 3 creek, so I may be going back later this year... it was beautiful, I will also be riding in the covered bridges ride in August for my first time. There is also a covered bridges ride in Bucks County that I may ride in. Surely an area with such a variety of rides must hold some interest. I have to drive a couple of hours to get there myself.

I am not a mountain goat, and would prefer the rolling hills and occasional climbs of central PA than the mountains of Colorado...

I am not sure of the distances, but Harrisburg is easy driving distance from Washington DC and Philadelphia... and I think it is only a couple of hours from NYC.

If you like a variety of activities along with your cycling, unless your other interests involve skis or ice hammers... PA might be a good option.
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timdoug, I appreciate your input! I think that Denver would be great but am afraid I may go broke with so many activities to participate in out there. lol My wife is actually from the far SW corner of Nebraska, Sidney, so I know exactly what you mean by someone from NE giving props to anything in CO. lol
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Originally Posted by timdoug
Maybe a PA person would disagree, but H'burg didn't seem to be the most thriving city in the world. What happens when you want to move jobs?
In general, central PA (sans State College) has been in the doldrums for all of my ~29 year life; and there's really not much that looks too good on the horizon for any place in the rust belt...
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After living in Colorado for 2 years and spending the previous 5 years in PA (4 in Gettysburg for college) I've got to tell you that Harrisburg, PA is a much better place than Aurora, CO.

Denver area - Want to ride? You need to get out of the burbs. Plan on driving if you want to get climbing (remember, 1/3 of Colorado is flat). Isolated from other cities/states. Yeah, there is cycling culture, a track, sunny... You're a skier? Yeah, the mountains are great but it'll take you 2-3 hours to get there and then you still have terrible traffic to fight through. Denver is a small city but the area is over-populated (2.5 million). If you're going to live in the Denver metro area, Colorado sucks. In the mountains, life is good (but expensive).

Harrisburg area - Easy to get out of the city. Close to Bmore, DC, Philly, Pitt and NYC (1:15-4 hr respectively). Good climbing in the appalachians, a lot less traffic. Much cheaper and less pretentious than Colorado. Track in the Lehigh valley.

It is all subjective but CO isn't all it is cracked up to be and Central PA gets a bad rap. Weigh all your options, visit every place before you decide.

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Back in 1985 I got transferred to Aurora. Thank goodness we were only there for 18 months. That was the least hospitable place I have ever been and the only place where I have been a victim of a crime.

The Denver area is not nearly as cold or as snowy as most people think, though.
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This is the kind of info I am looking for. Having only visited Denver a few times I thought it was GREAT but I also realize that is only visiting. Having only been to PA once and only for a day I didn't get much info on whats really there, although I do realize there are lots of things to do within the "area". B'ham on the other hand I am real familiar with, guess I am looking for a reason to go somewhere new but at the same time am apprehensive about doing that as well. I really appreciate everyones insight and opinions!
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Denver is great. Good riding, nice city. Wonderful climate.
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I'm currently living in the Denver area (Boulder) and love it. In fact, passing 20-30 cyclists on my drive into town every weekend is part of what's inspired me to take up cycling (now if I could just get a dang bike). There seems to be a lot of great rides in the area, and the weather is usually great. Someone complained about snow removal in the winter, but I haven't noticed a problem. Usually, the roads are clear by the next afternoon. That being said, Aurora might be another story. If you can live in downtown Denver, Golden, or Boulder, that'd be great...but then you get deal with the commute. Admittedly, the rush hour traffic is pretty bad...but I think that can be said about most major metro areas.
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