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Least amount of money needed to compete?

Old 06-15-06, 11:14 AM
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With lower cat racing, if you do only lose 30sec to the leader in a hilly race, you are already a strong rider that can climb. If you do suck, you will lose more than 30sec. Try 10 minutes to 30 minutes. Your 16lb bike would do nada for you.

Originally Posted by alanbikehouston
Well, as the saying goes, its the legs and lungs, not the bike. I'd guess that if someone with Cat. One legs and lungs had a $1,000 bike with 105 drivetrain, put on a carefully selected $300 pair of wheels, $100 for tires, and had the bike carefully tuned and set-up by a first-rate tech, he would be good to go. Under $1,500 total.

For the same $1,500, someone could buy an "elderly" Dura-Ace level bike, true the wheels, tune it up, and be just as well equipped as a guy on a $4,000 "brand new" bike.

However, if the race consisted of one hill climb, followed by another climb, with more climbing to come after that, the guys on the 16 pound bikes are going to have a slight advantage. That edge might only be twenty or thirty seconds, but in racing, thirty seconds can be the difference between finishing first, and finishing at the back.
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Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
With lower cat racing, if you do only lose 30sec to the leader in a hilly race, you are already a strong rider that can climb. If you do suck, you will lose more than 30sec. Try 10 minutes to 30 minutes. Your 16lb bike would do nada for you.
you learn that watching OLN?
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Old 06-15-06, 11:22 AM
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Don't tell me you are one of those cat5s with an all bling out rig that would make all cat1 or cat2 jealous???

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you learn that watching OLN?
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Old 06-15-06, 11:48 AM
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no little boy, i'm not.

unlike you, i actually raced, and earned points, and won races.

btw - is English your second language, or are you Dyslexic?

Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
Don't tell me you are one of those cat5s with an all bling out rig that would make all cat1 or cat2 jealous???

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Old 06-15-06, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Phantoj
When you work and have a famiily, time is more expensive than titanium...
Something I will experience all too soon. No matter, I stopped training for the olympics at age 16. It was a good experience, but with that much limited time I won't bother racing becuase I would constantly think about how much better I could be if I rode more miles.
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Old 06-15-06, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by boyze
frame - 2%, wheels - 5%, components - 1%, legs and lungs - 70%, race tactics - 20%, luck 2%
This is also my call. I drop roadies on fancy bikes when I'm on my steel touring bike with panniers all the time.

Having said that, the bike does make a difference. My racing bike is definitely faster than the touring bike. Sprinting at 30+ on the racing bike on level ground with no wind assist is quite easy, and I'm not sure I could even hit 30 on my touring rig (it doesn't have a computer). If I can, it would only be for a few seconds. I can also climb faster on the racing bike.

A 0.5 mph difference on a 20 mile ride will work out to about a minute and a half. 0.5 mph will not change which riders you keep up with and which ones you leave far behind, but it is noticeable. On the other hand, I'm not sure you'd get a 0.5 mph difference between a $1K bike and a $4K bike.
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Old 06-15-06, 12:54 PM
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Yeah, whatever man. Unfortunately, you still suck as in suck my ..... suck my... And suck it good.... sucker.

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no little boy, i'm not.

unlike you, i actually raced, and earned points, and won races.

btw - is English your second language, or are you Dyslexic?
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Old 06-15-06, 01:00 PM
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a gay, stuttering, dyslexic? wow, life must have been tough when you grew up now wonder you like dialing it up to 410 watts of puffdom

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Yeah, whatever man. Unfortunately, you still suck as in suck my ..... suck my... And suck it good.... sucker.
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Old 06-15-06, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
With lower cat racing, if you do only lose 30sec to the leader in a hilly race, you are already a strong rider that can climb. If you do suck, you will lose more than 30sec. Try 10 minutes to 30 minutes. Your 16lb bike would do nada for you.
I thought you moved on to the commuter forum?!?!?
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Old 06-15-06, 01:02 PM
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Forgot to tell you that winning cat 5 races does not earn you any points. Just want to clear things up. Now, go cry some more, cry baby.

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a gay, stuttering, dyslexic? wow, life must have been tough when you grew up now wonder you like dialing it up to 410 watts of puffdom
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Old 06-15-06, 01:06 PM
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you two are really lame.
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Old 06-15-06, 01:08 PM
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Don't worry. I will always be here. You can't stand it? Some of you can kill yourself. The world does not live the way you want it. That's how it is. I will always be the monkey on your shoulder. Your revealer of truth. The reflection of your hideous self. And etc, etc, etc..... Remember, you feel hideous because of yourself. I am calm as sea water.

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I thought you moved on to the commuter forum?!?!?
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gay, stuttering, dyslexic don't you have to go and drop someone on the bike path?

Originally Posted by R600DuraAce
Forgot to tell you that winning cat 5 races does not earn you any points. Just want to clear things up. Now, go cry some more, cry baby.
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Old 06-15-06, 01:22 PM
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You two are the people I hate in cycling.

Grow up.
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I don't think I was clear on my question to some people as some are answering my question with "it's the engine that matters" or "it's all about the legs". I am fully aware of that. Jan Ullrich will kick my ass with a 25 cent bike found at a garage sale. Or if someone is really talented, they can beat everyone else up at a race even with a 50 dollar bike against scrubs. BUT, I doubt that person can compete well with a 50 dollar bike against people with similar talent.

I was just asking people's opinion on what they think is the minimum amount needed on a bike to still compete close to their full potential. And my opinion on this is that I would need to spend about 1000 bucks on a new bike to compete close to my potential.
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Originally Posted by kunsei83
And my opinion on this is that I would need to spend about 1000 bucks on a new bike to compete close to my potential.
agreed. if you're new at this, then any decent bike THAT FITS and is equipped with at least something like 105, or the campy equivalent, will do the trick.
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Originally Posted by botto
agreed. if you're new at this, then any decent bike THAT FITS and is equipped with at least something like 105, or the campy equivalent, will do the trick.
+1. A grand buys plenty of bike, but adjusting it properly for you is very important. If you raced someone who was identical to you in every way except he had a $4K bike and you had your 105 equipped bike that you picked up for about $1k, you would definitely be competitive. You would win on many days that you felt better, used better strategy, or had some other small edge. On days that you did not have an advantage, you would lose by a small margin.
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