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Wilier's new line-up or Tarmac rip off?

Old 06-29-06, 01:18 AM
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Wilier's new line-up or Tarmac rip off?

I must need my daily dosage of medication, or Wilier has gone over the edge in what looks like a SPECIALIZED TARMAC (NON SL) rip off? Here's what they say about the bike

The swoopy lines of Wilier Triestina's new Cento (one hundred in Italian) celebrate the centenary of the Italian bicycle makers history with a unique and attractive design, but with the Wilier Cento, beauty is more than skin deep. Cento's unidirectional carbon fiber monocoque frameset is constructed with a patented molding process that enables precise control of tubing wall thickness. Cento uses both T60 and T30 unidirectional carbon fiber to create a balance between light weight and heavier, more rigid tubing. This mix provides Cento with a stiff, lightweight frame that weighs in at 900g without fork for a Large size.

Other unique features grace the Cento, like a special squared off integrated headtube and fork that provides more rigidity; chainstays molded under high pressure in high modulus T30 unidirectional carbon fibre to provide maximum power transmission; a front derailleur hanger that is constructed as part of the frame itself and carbon fibre dropouts.

The only aluminum parts on Wilier Triestina's new Cento are the aluminum inserts for the bottom bracket and headset cups. This Cento is equipped with Campagnolo's new Record group for 2007, with Fulcrum's Racing Zero wheels, ITM's new 101 carbon fibre stem and bars and Selle Italia's new Thoorx saddle.
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Old 06-29-06, 01:24 AM
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just because it has a curved top tube dosent make it the same. Other than that, i see no similarities.
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Old 06-29-06, 05:17 AM
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My '06 S-Works


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Looks nearly identical to me. The TT of the Wilier has slightly more arch to it which continues into the seat stays. The Specialized creates a hard angle for this transition.

Still, you can tell where they got the idea from!
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Still, you can tell where they got the idea from!
clearly! how dare they!

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Originally Posted by jeh
clearly! how dare they!

Oooooooooh! Is that a fixie???
Look at the down-tube or lack thereof; it's like a Slingshot!

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Pretty common thing. The Taiwanese frame manufacturer just makes a slightly different model for each bike "manufacturer." I see it all the time.
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I have the all carbon S-WORKS and you can see that the top tube curves significantly less than that of its alum/carbon bretheren. Hence, the angled transition from the toptube into the seatstays is slight less dramatic, whereas the Wilier flows over nicely but needs to compensate w/ a sharp curve directly reflected in the seatstay. I also have to add that the fulcrums are flashy and defintely candy to the eye....but please, NOT ON THE WILER!!!
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Originally Posted by fmw
Pretty common thing. The Taiwanese frame manufacturer just makes a slightly different model for each bike "manufacturer." I see it all the time.
Is the Tarmac frame made in Taiwan?
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This thread should have been called 'The Fugly Bike Thread'.

My retinas hurt after viewing the disgusting looking mashed and bent tubes and horrible paint jobs shown here.
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Originally Posted by classic1
This thread should have been called 'The Fugly Bike Thread'.

My retinas hurt after viewing the disgusting looking mashed and bent tubes and horrible paint jobs shown here.

To each his own. I say its a shame the bikes in this thread didn't incapacitate your ability to type. But, now that your retinas hurt, hopefully you'll just move along in fear of being blinded.


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Is the Tarmac frame made in Taiwan?
I think they are. I don't recall ATM.
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Personally, I really like the Tarmac, and I really don't like compacts. And aside from how it looks, the Tarmac is an excellent riding bike. That Wilier looks like a carbon copy!
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To me the new Wilier is just the next generation....nothing really Italian about it. Taiwan makes the best CF bikes and judging by the performance of my Bianchi Veloce, arguably the best steel bikes now too...though that would be hotly contested here. No question the design is heavily borrowed from the Specialized which is another beautiful bike. But I think the Wilier is just that much nicer. I prefer the radiused flow around the seat tube versus the angled cut down the seat stays on the Specialized. I also much prefer the single seat post hole of the Wilier. Looking at the bike with Campy Record just makes me want to order it the way it is...a beauty. Anybody know the retail for the Wilier with Record?
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while I think they are very different looking frames, I like them both. The curved top tube makes the think look like its flying while just sitting there.
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I saw a Tarmac at my local LBS. I was put off by the Black and Silver MADE IN TAIWAN sticker on the head tube. Maybe Taiwanese stuff doesn't bother you and that's fine, it's my personal hangup. Where is the Wieler produced?
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Originally Posted by SingleSpeeDemon
I saw a Tarmac at my local LBS. I was put off by the Black and Silver MADE IN TAIWAN sticker on the head tube. Maybe Taiwanese stuff doesn't bother you and that's fine, it's my personal hangup. Where is the Wieler produced?
Wieler? Austria, perhaps?
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Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
Is the Tarmac frame made in Taiwan?
Almost all carbon fiber frames are made there. Specialized doesn't manufacture anything. They are an import and marketing company - and a successful one at that.
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Unlike Giant- Giant actually has its own factories in Asia, making bikes ONLY for Giant.
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Originally Posted by pelotonracer
Unlike Giant- Giant actually has its own factories in Asia, making bikes ONLY for Giant.
No. Giant is a Taiwanese company so, not only is the factory there, but so is the headquarters. They make frames for many other companies, actually. They are the largest supplier of carbon fiber bicycle frames in the world and they supply the carbon fiber material to all the other Taiwanese carbon fiber frame makers. So you really need to strike the word ONLY from your sentence.
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Originally Posted by fmw
No. Giant is a Taiwanese company so, not only is the factory there, but so is the headquarters. They make frames for many other companies, actually. They are the largest supplier of carbon fiber bicycle frames in the world and they supply the carbon fiber material to all the other Taiwanese carbon fiber frame makers. So you really need to strike the word ONLY from your sentence.
Taiwan IS in Asia. Also Giant stopped producing frames for the other companies.
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I was thinking the same thing when I first saw it....as for the other posters, no its not exactly the same but, there are some similarities at first glance...just my .02
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Originally Posted by voltman
Wieler? Austria, perhaps?
Trieste, Italy.. That doesn't mean that's where the frame was made though. Global economy and all that.
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Originally Posted by fmw
Almost all carbon fiber frames are made there. Specialized doesn't manufacture anything. They are an import and marketing company - and a successful one at that.

is it really that simple? certainly companies like leopard - or even blue competition(they sell the exact same frame) are "import and marketing" companies, but i'm pretty sure companies like kestrel and specialized design their own stuff.
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