mx125

Why is it that although the entire outdoor world has converted to Lexan/Nalgen water bottles (for good reason) . .I can't seem to find even one bike bottle?? How can thins be?

I don't know about you but I can't stand the taste of the plastic in my water/gatorade especially in the summer heat.

Sounds like a business opportunity.

Seriously . .does anyone know of a lexan cycling specific bottle?? Or is there a reason this material won't work?? . . lack of squish-ability can be overcome with straw.

Camelback claims to have one but it doesn't fit a cage and is complicated. More of a bottle for drinking from after biking perhaps . . but not a true cycling bottle.

demoncyclist

I believe that Nalgene makes bike botles now. I'm pretty sure they have an ad running in Bicycling magazine.

Talewinds

Try the Elite bottles, specifically the ones with Higene technology plastics, not all Elite bottles have it, but the ones that do work great. No taste.

merlinextraligh

they don't squeeze. Harder to drink on the fly I would think.

acape

They do, but they're not Lexan.

EdZ

The truth

mx125

Thanks. I looked up the Higene. So you can vouch for the "no plastic" and "no residual" taste?

I'm still surprised there is no Nalgene avail (even using straw system) and that no one else seems to be asking for it. Maybe they are . .and no one wants our money!!

Anyway, I'll try the Higene if you tell me it works.

HillMut

Soma has a no-plastic-taste water bottle I think...

catatonic

Thing with straws is the camelbak syndrome...where if yo forget to drink for a very long time, or through a very hard sprint, sucking on the straw ends up making you gag, thus blowing water all over the place.

42x16

You can't squeeze them which means you wave to tip your head back further, not a comfortable thing to do when bent forward in the drops or on the hoods.

Bob Ross

Two words: fragmentation grenade

mx125

HaHa. Funny. That's a good point!

peterm5365

I prefer these two words bisphenol A. As in what poloycarbonate bottle leach into the liquid you place in them.

mx125

So excuse my ignorance . . .which are the polycarbonate . . . the regular or the new taste free nalgene etc? If it's the latter then i guess the nalgene hype might be over-rated?

roadfix

You need to be able to squirt water from the bottle to douse your head and back, even your fellow cyclist or even a misbehaved cager, and also to wash caked-on mud off of brake pads off your mountain bike. Therefore, squeezability is a must.

mister

My first thought was not being able to squeeze them. Second was them shattering if they fall. Are they more expensive to manufacture too?

djtrackie

Polycarbonate is a very strong hard plastic. Apple computers use it a lot, most good classes are made out of polycarbonate, Nalgene bottles, bullet proof glass, etc etc.



"BPA has been known to leach from plastics which are cleaned with harsh detergents or used to contain acidic or high temperature liquids. The chemical has been found in nearly every human tested in the United States.

BPA can activate estrogen receptors leading to similar physiological effects as the body's own estrogens. The first evidence of BPA's estrogenicity came from experiments in the 1930s in which it was fed to ovariectomised rats[4],[5]. Some hormone disrupting effects in studies on animals and human cancer cells have been shown to occur at levels as low as 2-5 ppb (parts per billion). It has been claimed that these effects lead to health problems such as, in men, lowered sperm count and infertile sperm.

The plastics industry has long claimed that bisphenol A is safe at typical levels of human exposure, minimizing or discounting all tests to the contrary. Eleven industry-funded studies found no risk from bisphenol A, while 90% of 104 independent studies showed possible risks, says a December 2004 report from scientists Fred vom Saal and Claude Hughes [6]. A previous report, released by the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis and funded by the American Plastics Council, called the evidence for risks "weak" and "inconsistent". Claude Hughes, who co-authored the 2004 paper with vom Saal, had served on the Harvard Center for Risk Analysis panel. As indicated in his publication with vom Saal, he regards that assessment as out-of-date because it considered so few of the many papers published on low-dose BPA since 2001.

In 2006, vom Saal and Welshons published a detailed analysis of why a small number of studies, mostly conducted in industry-funded laboratories, failed to replicate findings on low-level effects of BPA[8]. Independent review by a scientific panel convened by a US government agency found through reanalysis of the data in one of those papers that it in fact had found an effect, even though its conclusions stated otherwise. Several of the studies failed to use positive controls, and comparisons with other studies suggest that the negative controls were contaminated. Finally, several use a variety of rat that is known to be extremely insensitive to estrogens.

Belcher and coworkers demonstrated that even very low levels of BPA can disrupt neural development in the fetus (rat)[7]. While a "low-dose hypothesis" has been debated for years [1], this study questions the assumption that a simple "dose-equals-effect" model is adequate to assess endocrine disruptor activity."

fmw

Now there's a relief

Pedal Wench

What about this?
Nalgene OTG bottle. Fits my standard cages, just a little noisy on bumps.

https://images.rei.com/media/514035.jpg

mx125

So what about the regular bottles? Given we can all taste the plastic . .that must be more than ppm . . that just can't be good for a person. Is BPA in small dose worse that the generic plastic?

2manybikes

[QUOTE=mx125]Why is it that although the entire outdoor world has converted to Lexan/Nalgen water bottles (for good reason) . .I can't seem to find even one bike bottle?? How can thins be?

I don't know about you but I can't stand the taste of the plastic in my water/gatorade especially in the summer heat.

Sounds like a business opportunity.

[QUOTE]

Search this forum for info and pictures of Nalgene lexan bike bottles. Or just buy them from Nalgene and a few other places on line. Or just use google.

They have them and they are great, they don't leak and they take being dropped on the road from high speed and are easy to drink from. The Nalgene OTG bottle. (On The Go) you can buy them from a few places on line including Nalgene. They are not the only lexan bike bottle maker, but I think the best.

Also you can beat the taste of the plastic of your old bottles just by washing them with soap and hot water after you use them and letting them dry open. If you store water in them and do not wash them the taste will always come back. Not a problem just wash them and dry them. No reason to switch if you don't want too, except the typical drink spout bottle will leak eventually. Nalgene makes a MTB bottle with a cover too. Neither of the Nalgene bottles leak like a typical bike bottle.

You don't have to tip your head any more than a squeeze bottle.

Hummeth

Nalgene makes one. It's not polycarbonate so you can squeeze it. It's made of LDPE (whatever that is) and has a Lexan cap that goes over teh spout. It's made to go in bike cages.

mx125

I had not seen the OTG bottle. I had a look and it does appear to be small enough. I see the LDPE bottles. I agree . .i don't know what they are. They look like standard plastic?

Thanks all for the feedback!

Nubie

Lexan Nalgene OTG:
https://www.rei.com/online/store/Prod...cat=REI_SEARCH

https://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/store...rycode=168able

Squeezable non-Lexan LDPE Nalgenes:
https://www.nalgene-outdoor.com/store...ategorycode=16

AnthonyG

Standard bicycle drink bottles are LDPE (low density polyethelene), their the one's with the taste we complain about. Now It would be nice if you could find some made from HDPE (high density polyethelene) and as far as I know HDPE is a safe plastic without any taste. I cleaned my LDPE bottles out with boiling water along with the PVC drinking tubes (PVC is a nasty plastic as well) and that nasty plastic taste has all but gone. The best plastic drink bottles I know of are PET or PETE which are usualy used for mineral waters and soda so I often re-use mineral water bottles.

Many years ago I did have a polycarbonate (Lexan) cycle specific drink bottle and its lack of aftertaste was good but now I'm concerned about PC as well so PET is best to use in-order to avoid any chemical exposure from your drink bottles.

Regards, Anthony