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What is a Retro Grouch?

Old 07-16-06, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by pigmode
Okay, I just need to

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you need to post some pics of your new lugged steel spectrum!
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Anyone who uses the word "brifter."
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
Retro Grouch, noun

1. A bicycle enthusiast who allows other riders to work the bugs out of new component ideas before committing money to buy them for his own bike.
For a period of AT LEAST 20 years........
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Originally Posted by Serpico
you need to post some pics of your new lugged steel spectrum!

I have some pics, but need to find the mini USB.


Originally Posted by bigbossman
For a period of AT LEAST 20 years........

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Old 07-17-06, 01:52 PM
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This thread would have a totally different spin in the Classics section.
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Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
This thread would have a totally different spin in the Classics section.

Those guys are Retro Studs.
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Old 07-17-06, 02:08 PM
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A Retro Grouch is one who understands that compact frames look like "girls bikes".

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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
A Retro Grouch is a old hippie that used to ride their bike from one Dead concert to the next, trading weed for tire patches, usually has granola stuck in 2 foot long beard.

They usually oppose anything "new" made for a bike in the last 30 years, only ride Brooks saddles (and these only because they can't find a town cobbler to make teir our for them). You can spot them easily because they will be the really fast old guys who pass you (riding your beautiful carbon bike) while riding some "great" old steel touring bike with 20 ft3 canvas saddle bag, DT or bar end shifters, cantilever brakes, and clips. If they are a young retro grouch they may have adopted clipless pedals, but will never use anything other than SPDs (usually with sandals).

Moustache handles and handlebar moustaches are often common calling cards. The phrase "Sturmey Archer" is their mating call, and respond readily with "..is real" whenever anyone mentions the name of that iron alloy that contains some carbon...yeah carbon....

They are usually well read, have played an instrument or two, participate in local theatre, and have a secret desire to chuck everything to learn how to be a blacksmith. When not riding a bike they can be found inside the oldest/smallest bike shops in the area, teaching physics at a local school or university, or recycling cans.

They can be lured with the promise of showing them any folding bike design at least 30 years old.

...I can go on....
And recognized by the aroma that they exude from wearing the 100% wool jersey and shorts that they rarely wash (takes the natural oils out of them and makes them less water-proof).
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Originally Posted by Al1943
A Retro Grouch is one who understands that compact frames look like "girls bikes".

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nope. those people are idiots and/or insecure with their own sexuality
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Old 07-17-06, 02:29 PM
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There's a bumper sticker on the door of Rivendell's shop that says "Wear Wool, Sit on Leather, Ride Lugged Steel." That pretty much sums it up.
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Old 07-17-06, 03:48 PM
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In some cases, I'm a retro-grouch. I oppose change for change's sake and long for the days of bikes that lasted longer than a racing season.

I'm NOT a retro grouch 'cause I've been on the tail end of the upgrade fever that's swept cycling. I ride a compact AL S-Works with 9 sp Dura Ace. I own a steel bike, but its 853 and TIG welded. (It does have all XTR which I'm very happy about! Now all I gotta do is ride the darn thing!)

I haven't gone 10sp 'cause I don't really see the need. When JRA I shift my 9sp brifters 2 gears to mimic the feel of the 6/7sp clusters I rode as a college student. Do I NEED 1 extra cog? Nope. Do I want it? Not at the moment, but I can see a time when finding 9sp stuff's gonna be harder.

I think Ti cogs, chains, and spokes (had em!) are bad ideas.

I don't ride carbon bars on my road bikes 'cause they still skeer me. Probably won't change that opinion for a while. I didn't when carbon forks first came out, but I ride one now!

I don't own wool anything. The last wool jersey shrank so bad my GF couldn't wear it!

Give me modern stuff... to a point.

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Old 07-17-06, 07:25 PM
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I was gonna make a thread like this a while back, but never got around to it.

In addition to the above descriptions, I'll chance it to add that there are certain things a retro grouch is thankful for but would never admit to.

Examples:

The retro grouch is secretly thankful for the advent of STI, because it allowed him the option of using bar-end shifters instead of downtube shifters (when I was younger, ALL the retro grouches razzed me about my bar end shifters).

The retro grouch is also secretly thankful for the advent of the compact crankset, because it allowed him the option of using a triple (when I was younger, unless you had a 52/42 double, you were a "fred").

Funny thread though.
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Old 07-17-06, 07:33 PM
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Those that think wool smells worse than synthetics have never owned wool.
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Did people actually wear wool when they rode bikes?
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The term was first used in print in the early 90's in a bike review of a Bridgestone mountain bike. Shimano had switched from top bar thumbshifters to under bar shifters that used two levers. Grant Peterson didn't think they worked as well and continued to spec the thumbshifters when every other manufacturer followed Shimano in lockstep. (Who knows what sort of holy hell was being raised in the editorial offices when they decided to review a bike with a component from last year. Angry phone calls from manufacturers, threats to pull advertising, we can only speculate). The writer referred to Grant as a retro grouch for not changing over also. I don't think Grant liked the label because it implied he only liked older stuff when actually he does adopt new technologies when they are an improvement. He also adopts new technologies when older better ones become hard to find. Rivendell makes a beautiful lugged stem for threadless that goes about as far as possible to make that whole program decent looking.

So, based on the original use of the term, it means anyone that hasn't adopted the latest technology, whether it works better or not. That would include every one of you still riding a nine speed cluster (frankly, I don't see how you can live with that deplorable situation).
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People (usually men) 50 and older trying to relive the Golden Age.
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People (usually men) 50 and older trying to relive the Golden Age.
The cutoff would have been 38 or older for the penultimate post.
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Does resurrecting 12 year old posts put you on the road to retro grouchism as well?
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Does resurrecting 12 year old posts put you on the road to retro grouchism as well?
Two flavors of necrophilia.
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I got a little excited when I opened this and saw botto, then I looked at the date.

I always thought the term applied to folks who, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, want to tell you how much better the old stuff was/is (for example the whole Brooks saddle crowd). You know who you are
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
Retro Grouch, noun

1. A bicycle enthusiast who allows other riders to work the bugs out of new component ideas before refusing to ever buy them for his own bike.

2. An unusually intelligent, good-looking, and humble internet poster.
I cannot speak to the second point. The first point has been corrected and is now correct.
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I think you could interchangeably use the word they describe themselves in "purist".

The reality is an alum frame cracks and good luck getting a local person who can weld that successfully. Carbon you can patch like a boat or airplane hull.

Steel, while real, is practically speaking pretty darn heavy. My wife's greenway bike is easily 10 lbs heavier than probably even my alloy cyclocross bike. For a person that weights maybe 125 lbs.....almost 10% of your body weight......yeah steel is real alright. That's not fun for an entry level rider having to make it up a few steep hills.

Also, I learned to ride on toe clips and indexed downtube shifters. Not friction, but still downtube. Yeah, THAT'S real practical on the local hammer ride. "Oh wait boys, I gotta take a hand off and grab a gear before you sprint away from me."

Nothing practical about toe cages either. Dangerous as all get out in traffic with stop/go. I'd just put the work shoes in a backpack or panniers if I commuted like that.
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This retrogrouch got caught in 80s technology. The industry flew by and I realized that bikes had come as far as they could.They were reasonably priced, easy to work on. beautiful pieces of machinery. They still are.I am grossly offended by the plastic bicycle shaped objects which have taken over.
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I think you could interchangeably use the word they describe themselves in "purist".

The reality is an alum frame cracks and good luck getting a local person who can weld that successfully. Carbon you can patch like a boat or airplane hull.

Steel, while real, is practically speaking pretty darn heavy. My wife's greenway bike is easily 10 lbs heavier than probably even my alloy cyclocross bike. For a person that weights maybe 125 lbs.....almost 10% of your body weight......yeah steel is real alright. That's not fun for an entry level rider having to make it up a few steep hills.

Also, I learned to ride on toe clips and indexed downtube shifters. Not friction, but still downtube. Yeah, THAT'S real practical on the local hammer ride. "Oh wait boys, I gotta take a hand off and grab a gear before you sprint away from me."

Nothing practical about toe cages either. Dangerous as all get out in traffic with stop/go. I'd just put the work shoes in a backpack or panniers if I commuted like that.
Steel frames aren't ten pounds heavier than carbon frames, unless you are talking about dutch bikes vs. road bikes. I'd say the weight penalty of a nice steel road frame compared to a carbon road frame is probably two pounds....and that's from building up several from frame only purchases and weighing them.

Toe cages are a bad idea, IMHO.
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