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What is a Retro Grouch?

Old 09-21-18, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LesterOfPuppets View Post
Quill stems look better to me. And I have some with removable faceplates, so NBD to swap 'em out.
+1000

A good quill stem is a thing of beauty.


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Old 09-21-18, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ebow3d View Post
^ My run of the mill Giant TCR Advance with Ultegra groupset is 7.3kg (16 pounds) Quite a bit lighter than all the expensive steel bikes above.
I like classic bikes, but enjoy riding modern bike far more.
you called a bike, which costs over $3000 new, 'run of the mill'?

his point in posting all those weights and pics(besides to show em off weekly), was to counter the claim that steel is 10# heavier.
cool that your +$3000 bike weighs less, but that is beside the point.
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Old 09-21-18, 07:57 PM
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I'm retro, but not a jerk/grouch about it

Posting this here for a taste - my vibe is retro-modern. Sort of like the guys who take old Porsche 911's and freshen them up with modern suspension and mechanicals. What does that make me? Nostalgic, but practical, perhaps?

I'll ride it tomorrow.
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Old 09-21-18, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mstateglfr View Post
you called a bike, which costs over $3000 new, 'run of the mill'?

his point in posting all those weights and pics(besides to show em off weekly), was to counter the claim that steel is 10# heavier.
cool that your +$3000 bike weighs less, but that is beside the point.
Ah, someone gets it! It really was about the weight difference. The only weight holding any of them back is my fat belly!

And you can't see too much of purty bikes can ya?
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Old 09-22-18, 05:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
You are comparing a greenway cruiser to a cx bike?
It made more sense in my head than in print. Seeing it now, yeah, doesnít make sense.

I say that because itís a recent gripe of hers about her bike being heavy.

I call it a cruiser, itís one of those $300 Trek flat bar fitness bikes.
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Old 09-23-18, 09:03 PM
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Which stem looks better will never be resolved as each generation's aesthetics are developed during their formidable years. The quill stem for the generation who first saw this car roll down their street:



For anyone growing up in the era of the Ahead Set, they calibrated their industrial design standards with the automobiles of the 1990's.
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Old 09-24-18, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
+1000

A good quill stem is a thing of beauty.


i donít think one is a retro-grouch for thinking quills and pinch bolt claps LOOK better.

I think one is a retro-grouch if they insist they FUNCTION better.

Sold my last threaded bike frame in 2010, and will be happy to never own one again unless it is a seriously styley old vintage bike.

If I never use another pinch bolt clamp ever again it will still be too soon.

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Old 09-24-18, 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post
i donít think one is a retro-grouch for thinking quills and pinch bolt claps LOOK better.

I think one is a retro-grouch if they insist they FUNCTION better.

Sold my last threaded bike frame in 2010, and will be happy to never own one again unless it is a seriously styley old vintage bike.

If I never use another pinch bolt clamp ever again it will still be too soon.
Almost nobody argues that pinch bolts work better, though. When people do argue in favor of quill stems functionally, they're usually referring to the quill side of the quill stem, and in particular the rapid height adjustment. It's certainly a heavier and weaker interface, but it does have that one advantage.

Although quill stems usually have pinch bolts and direct-mount stems usually have removable facelines, they're two different things. There are quill stems with removable faceplates and - although very rare - pinch-bolt direct-mount stems have also historically existed (such as Rene Herse stems).

Originally Posted by MKahrl View Post
Which stem looks better will never be resolved as each generation's aesthetics are developed during their formidable years. The quill stem for the generation who first saw this car roll down their street:
I think there's a lot more to it, like pairing with the particular bike. The wide spacer stacks and stems of modern threadless systems look very chunky on skinny-tubed steel frames, while a 7/8ths quill would look comical coming out of a Tarmac.
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Old 09-24-18, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by HTupolev View Post
Almost nobody argues that pinch bolts work better, though.
The retro-grouches you hang with need to up their game, then.
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Old 09-24-18, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Kapusta View Post

I think one is a retro-grouch if they insist they FUNCTION better.
Never heard of anyone admire retro stuff for their functionality. Actually, my Sugino 75 square taper steel spindle bottom bracket will outlast any BB30
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Old 09-25-18, 08:12 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. If you compare the Stronglight 93 to the Dura-Ace FCR9100, the 93 is not any heavier and so much prettier. The Q factor is better also. The Dura-Ace Crank is so fugly. It looks like something that would come on a cheap Walmart bike.

VeloBase.com - Component: Stronglight 93

https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/produ.../FC-R9100.html

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