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Old 07-16-06, 07:50 PM
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Crazy Drivers Are Crazy..

Hi Bike Forums!
this is my first post, I've lurked here for a while over my friend Ill_Mitch's shoulder, and I've met a few of you (such as Steeker) at critical masses and such...

I just thought I'd post mentioning something that happened the other night..

I was on a ride with Ill_Mitch, we were on King, if I remember correctly, going west.
It was around 10:30PM, I was in front, and as I approached a red light, a fellow in a Black (infiniti if I remember) cut accross without signalling, changing lanes from the middle to the right, and doing so with his final position occupying the same space as I did
This of course forced me to slam on my brakes, and even doing so, I fell against the back of his car like the wake of a boat catching up to it as it slows down..

to alert the driver he had almost just killed someone, I firmly struck the trunk with my fist (like a hammer)

I then moved to the passenger side, and saw the driver was a 30-ish greasy club rat, and the passenger was his mother (equally greasy)
I said "Are you insane? you didn't signal and almost ran me over!"
the driver then exited the car, walked in front of the car, and then got about 4 inches from me, puffing up his chest:

"WHO TOLD YOU YOU COULD HIT MY CAR HUH?"
he grunted

I then explained that when one changes lanes, one has to signal first, or things like this happen, sometimes causing fatalities.
he then tried to justify his actions by saying "DID I run you over?"

I explained that what he did was a crime

"DID I murder you?"

"there are other crimes than murder" I explained.

he then polled a stranger on a bike behind me and Ill_Mitch: "DID I run him over?"

"you came pretty close" she replied

He repeated his question, each time getting the same response.

I then told his mother: "Ma'am, you should control your son, he's obviously a psychopath, if he isn't drunk"

the driver then said "If my mother weren't here I'd punch you in the face"

I then explained that that would be a charge of assault added to reckless endangerment and failing to signal when lane-changing


to sum up, he left, I was in a rotten mood for the rest of the night , and my knowledge was reassured that EVERY driver,

EVERY

Driver, is in some way mentally unstable.

they have to be.
It takes a sick, irrational, ego-inflated person to own a CAR in TORONTO..


AAANyway...
I'm sorry to begin my stay here with a negative tone, I'm generally very positive, but I just felt like saying this..

Hope to see you all next Critical Mass, I'll have my CSC Digs on, so please say hello when you see me

Hope you're all enjoying this great weather (a bit too great, few!)

See ya later!
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Not all drivers are crazy. Not even all the ones in Toronto. You just happened to meet one that was. Glad to hear you're ok and that the incident didn't escalate into an assault.
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Not one bit of this story surprised me in any way. And that's just scary.
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Here's my take on this:

You aren't going to educate him, nor are you going to convince him, so exactly what is the point in initiating contact by beating on something that belongs to him?

Oh wait...it's the same point as Critical Mass. Never mind. Clearly it's the drivers that are crazy.
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Essentially what I was hoping for was for him to be true to his word and hit me,
With that I could sue him and make my investments stronger.
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Originally Posted by D-Roc
Essentially what I was hoping for was for him to be true to his word and hit me,
With that I could sue him and make my investments stronger.
Are you serious? you actually want to push/incite an altercation, so you can sue?

And here I am ignoring honking horns, being cut-off etc to avoid altercations.
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to each his own I suppose
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Originally Posted by D-Roc
the driver then said "If my mother weren't here I'd punch you in the face"
My response would have been:
"So, instead you're going to show her what an ******* she raised?"

With a sweet smile to her, of course.

Seriously, sometimes it takes a little aggression to get the point across... I got buzzed by a van, and the passenger screams in my ear to "Get the f#$% off the road!"... I chased them for two miles or so, with the driver going in circles trying to lose me because he didn't want me to see where he was going...

That same van has passed me at least three times, and every time he's given me a very wide berth.

The second time he passed me after I chased him, I saw him turn down a road, and just out of curiosity, I followed. He pulled into a driveway, and was dinking around in the van, I stopped at the end of the driveway.

You should have seen his face when he got out, glances up and sees me sitting on my bike at the end of the driveway. He just turned this sickly white color... like he'd seen a ghost. I just waved and rode off.

I've seen him a time or two since then, and give him a little wave ... I know he's looking in the rear view to see if I'm following him.

Seriously... the best weapon I have in these confrontations though is my cell phone... invariably when I pull it out and start dialing, they either become very apologetic or just take off.
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D-roc's in Canada where handguns are almost non-existant, except in Toronto where he also happens to be, but not in the downtown area where he is. An altercation there involves a lot of checking and high sticking and maybe trying to pull jerseys over each others heads while punching each other rapidly in the head.
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Crazy drivers are crazy? Duh! And blue giraffes are blue. On a more serious note...

Originally Posted by D-Roc
Essentially what I was hoping for was for him to be true to his word and hit me,
With that I could sue him and make my investments stronger.
You've got to be kidding. You're going to incite someone with a two ton weapon (a car if used improperly) so that you have a chance to sue? You might end up dead!

By the way, though there are car-free riders in this forum, some of us really like our cars. If you think every driver is crazy, you'd better think that most cyclists are crazy, too.
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Old 07-16-06, 10:01 PM
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His mother just set there? If I pulled anything even close to this ****, my mom would have smacked me silly!
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Old 07-16-06, 10:27 PM
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sounds like you're bitter about not owning a car

j/k... seriously though... I wouldn't have been nearly as witty as you in the same situation... I would probably have got about as far as getting run over then I'd yell something incoherent while the turd drives away.

To reinforce the "cyclings own cars" too theme... even car-owning cyclists can make bone-head mistakes when not paying attention.... I like to think we're generally alot more aware of our surroundings but we're not immune to making these types of mistakes.

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I have to say that so far, the motorists around here are generally pretty nice. I've been buzzed a few times by box vans and the like, but the busier roads generally are narrow so there's no use in getting my chamois in a bunch. Now that I said that, I'll probably get yelled at by some a-hole tomorrow morning.

Glad things didn't escalate for you though. 99% of the time, the tongue is a stronger weapon than violence.
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I dont think a confrontation like that could have gone anywhere productive.
If you survive the dangerous moment, leave without starting a possible
fight with someone of questionable sanity who probably is more armed
(by any number of items) than a cyclist.
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Yeah, ya never know what whackos keep in their cars in preparation for the apocolypse.

Dead and right is still dead.

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Originally Posted by D-Roc
Essentially what I was hoping for was for him to be true to his word and hit me,
With that I could sue him and make my investments stronger.
Oh that would of been great. Guy gets out of his car and kicks your a$$. Your lucky he didn't get go POP POP and drive away. Just what I want to have happen to me. Hey I get get cut off, buzzed and yelled at all the time when I'm minding my own business on open country roads. Riding a bike downtown at night you better get used to drivers like that.

You should of just got his plate number and reported him as a drunk driver who hit you.

PS. In Canada you can't sue for things like that.
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D-Roc, The word that comes to mind in "Manic" you seem as unstable as the Greasy driver and his equally greasy mother. Bikers should not be sharing the road with autos at 10:30 at night in Toronto. We have all been cutoff by clueless drivers, but we all don't strike the trunk with a fist (like a hammer). We explain and raise awareness of motorists. "I explained that what he did was a crime" did he explain you broke the law pounding his car? "My knowledge was reassured that EVERY driver,EVERY Driver, is in some way mentally unstable." you can not be serious about this statement, I hope this is sarcasm?

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Originally Posted by DrPete
Yeah, ya never know what whackos keep in their cars in preparation for the apocolypse.

Dead and right is still dead.

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Maybe so i have a little thing i say to people threatening me :you had best incapacitate me or kill me on the first hit shot or what have you. Cause if you do not i will mst assuradly drop you before you can get the next hit or shot in"

Ive yet to have any one do any more than try to save face by saying your not worth it. Just something about some one being screamed at and keeping a very calm, collected and calculating voice tends to make people reconsider their actions

Thing bout most of these people is they are nothing more than a school yard bully who never had any one stand up to them in school so they remain the same way through out life till some oen stands up to them.

Lucky for me i can in general tell how dangerous some one realy is. Last night some bozo in a dodge ram was giving me some lip and trying to squeez me in to the parking lane on wooster road.

I looked at him and the passenger and said get the f in your own lane or pull over and show how big a man you realy are. He got back over in his lane I Increased my power to 400 .... just kiddign though i did step it up a notch to keep up with him for like 30 feet more. At this point I hear "dude roll up your window this guy is freaking insane" I had to back off from laughing so dang hard.
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Maybe so i have a little thing i say to people threatening me :you had best incapacitate me or kill me on the first hit shot or what have you. Cause if you do not i will mst assuradly drop you before you can get the next hit or shot in"

Ive yet to have any one do any more than try to save face by saying your not worth it. Just something about some one being screamed at and keeping a very calm, collected and calculating voice tends to make people reconsider their actions

Thing bout most of these people is they are nothing more than a school yard bully who never had any one stand up to them in school so they remain the same way through out life till some oen stands up to them.

Lucky for me i can in general tell how dangerous some one realy is. Last night some bozo in a dodge ram was giving me some lip and trying to squeez me in to the parking lane on wooster road.

I looked at him and the passenger and said get the f in your own lane or pull over and show how big a man you realy are. He got back over in his lane I Increased my power to 400 .... just kiddign though i did step it up a notch to keep up with him for like 30 feet more. At this point I hear "dude roll up your window this guy is freaking insane" I had to back off from laughing so dang hard.
A sensible response, when the truck squeezed you in, you didn't punch the vehicle, you enlightened a driver, bet he won't do it again, your venacular scared me thru my computer another buckeye biker with a brain
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A sensible response, when the truck squeezed you in, you didn't punch the vehicle, you enlightened a driver, bet he won't do it again, your venacular scared me thru my computer another buckeye biker with a brain

Oh if he had pulled over i was more than ready. Here i thought i was skinny as a bean poll. I could have snapped ither one of these guys in 2 like a tooth pick. Probably why they thought better and moved on.

I dont think the passenger wanted a confrontation at all one or both of these guys plaid guitar as i seen the nice gibson in the back seat with a realy nice rack holding it.

So you mentioned buckeye cyclists where abouts you live n this semi wonderful state (wonderful in all the parks it has not so wonderful in job market)
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Originally Posted by nova
Oh if he had pulled over i was more than ready. Here i thought i was skinny as a bean poll. I could have snapped ither one of these guys in 2 like a tooth pick. Probably why they thought better and moved on.

I dont think the passenger wanted a confrontation at all one or both of these guys plaid guitar as i seen the nice gibson in the back seat with a realy nice rack holding it.

So you mentioned buckeye cyclists where abouts you live n this semi wonderful state (wonderful in all the parks it has not so wonderful in job market)
The most likely outcome is that this driver will be an even bigger d&*k to the next cyclist he sees on the road, because he probably went home and told his friends about this skinny little *** cyclist who gave him attitude, and whose a$$ he could've easily kicked if he weren't in public.

Knowing that the chance of me having a deadly weapon on me while I ride is ZERO, and the chance of a whacko driver having a deadly weapon (the car, or maybe another weapon) is 100%, I just don't see how these encounters end well.

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Nobody had a mobile? Maybe he was drunk or high, and a cop could've done something about it.

Anyway, its just two people occupying the same patch of earth at the same time; just how the both of you got there was he problem. Was it worth getting hurt for? He was reckless once, my guess he would be reckless again if pushed far enough. Even with his mommy in the car.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
The most likely outcome is that this driver will be an even bigger d&*k to the next cyclist he sees on the road, because he probably went home and told his friends about this skinny little *** cyclist who gave him attitude, and whose a$$ he could've easily kicked if he weren't in public.

Knowing that the chance of me having a deadly weapon on me while I ride is ZERO, and the chance of a whacko driver having a deadly weapon (the car, or maybe another weapon) is 100%, I just don't see how these encounters end well.

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Well it was ither that or rear end the cars in the parking lane less than 20 feet in front of me. I dont want to be smackign in to a parked car at 29 or 30 mph.

As for weapons who needs em i got feet with carbon reneforcement.

Intresting thing bout my shoes i get asked about them all the time when im at a gast station or store. Other cyclists always commment on how old school my shoes are dead giveaway as to who is a cyclist lol.

Case you wondering their old time chalenge cleats on ld vittoria shoes.

Regardless it was ither face this guy down and try to convince him im more insane than he is or crash

Even if i was not mearly 20 feet behind a car in the parking lane parked id have made a point to this guy. No way in hell am i riding in that lane. Ive been in it before and hit glass and other trash. Hittign a ood bit of metal or a tree limb at 30 mph = you crashing hard.

As for these guys see another of my replies. These guys would not take a chance at hurting them self or me hurting them.

What anoys me in this area when drivers do this lame ass crap is there is plenty of room to share the lane or take the other lane. I can ride just out side the door zone of cars parked in the parking lane and a car can be off my left shoulder 18 inches to 2 feet from the yellow lines and stillleave me 2 or 3 feet depending on the section of road at the moment.

Well i for one am gona get me in a 10 miler before it hits 98 degrees already 91 out here.
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It would have been a good idea to call the Cops and have a report made, or at least get the guys insurance $, since you're bike may have been damaged.

I wouldn't have incited the guy. Getting pummeled would probably ruin your day. I was at my 6 year old son's soccer game last week with my daughter (twin) and there was another father there who was much bigger than me with very short hair and a beard (red-neck style), tattoos, army fatigue pants and a T-shirt that said 'I hate everyone'. My daughter told him that he was 'very ugly' and I thought that I was going to get thrashed! This guy was livid! I defused the situation by being polite (and I gave my daughter a lecture afterwards).

I lived in TO for 11 years. I know that riding downtown is a harrowing experience, even with the bike-lanes. But actually, people in cars here in Albany are much less tolerant towards bicycles than the drivers in TO.
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