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Campy is beginning to piss me off.

Old 07-19-06, 06:00 PM
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Campy is beginning to piss me off.

This is pretty much just an angry rant, so please excuse me for a moment.

I'm in the process of upgrading a used bike I bought which came with a hodgepodge of old Shimano, Suntour, and Diacompe components. My LBS gave me a good deal on a Centaur group that came off of a new bike, but it was missing a few pieces. (I already made one thread about the brake pads) The owner had to order some new brake pads and carriers, cassette, and front derailleur to make it a complete group for me. The pads and carriers came with no mounting hardware. It must be purchased separately, because I guess not everyone needs nuts to mount brake pads. *shrug* This makes no sense to me but that's the way it is, apparently. The owner had a set of wheels built up with Centaur hubs and Mavic Open Pro rims, which I just got today. I came home and slid the cogs on and...wait...where's the lock ring? What do you know, the cassette doesn't come with one! Apparently it's supposed to come with the hub, which I see also doesn't have the lock ring on it. That could have simply been the LBS's oversight, but why don't Campy cassettes come with the lock ring like every other brand? To be difficult? To save a few pennies? Luckily I managed to get Campy-specific cables while I was there. This is beginning to remind me of replacing parts on an old French bike, only much more expensive...

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Old 07-19-06, 06:11 PM
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$30 for a ****ing lockring? I think so!
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Old 07-19-06, 06:34 PM
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don't blame campy, blame your LBS
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Old 07-19-06, 06:41 PM
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Blame your LBS. Lock rings come with the cassette when you purchase them as part of a group. And where is the lockring that was on the bike from which the group was removed.
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Originally Posted by IcemanYQQ
Blame your LBS. Lock rings come with the cassette when you purchase them as part of a group. And where is the lockring that was on the bike from which the group was removed.

This is totally wrong and to top it off, you obviously didn't read his post......

First off, he mentions that he had to ORDER a cassette.... he didn't get the cassette and lockring off the donor bike.

Secondly, Campy cassettes DO NOT come with lock rings (unless you are getting an 11 tooth cassette). All campy wheelsets and hubs DO come with a 12/13T lockring. So, this is your LBS problem for not giving you one when they built up the wheelset.... and also your fault for not doing any homework before hand... this isn't a problem with Campy.
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Originally Posted by briscoelab
This is totally wrong and to top it off, you obviously didn't read his post......

First off, he mentions that he had to ORDER a cassette.... he didn't get the cassette and lockring off the donor bike.
Wow, someone with an attitude. OK, so he had order a cassette, it won't come with the lockring, but if he had ordered the groupset, it would have come with the lockring. But I could be wrong, I've only been riding Campy for 22 years.

Originally Posted by briscoelab
Secondly, Campy cassettes DO NOT come with lock rings (unless you are getting an 11 tooth cassette). All campy wheelsets and hubs DO come with a 12/13T lockring. So, this is your LBS problem for not giving you one when they built up the wheelset.... and also your fault for not doing any homework before hand... this isn't a problem with Campy.
You should direct your quotes to the intended person(s).
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Originally Posted by briscoelab
...and also your fault for not doing any homework before hand... this isn't a problem with Campy.
Oh I agree I should have done my homework. I just never would have guessed on little things like this being different from Shimano or Sram. When I buy a Shimano or Sram cassette it comes with a lockring, so I just thought that was the way it worked. The cassette thing doesn't confuse me as much as the brake pad carrier, though. Why on earth do they not come with the mounting hardware? Oh well. It's no big deal now, I just needed to get some frustration off my chest.

P.S. My brother just bought a Proton wheelset and they didn't come with a lockring either. Guess he'll have to order one too.
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The groupset (8 piece groupset, w/o hub) doesn't come with lockring.

If you order wheels or hubs then you will get a lockring.

But I could be wrong, I've only been ORDERING (for me and for my friends) 5 Campy Record groupsets, 8 Campy Eurus wheelsets for the past 1 year.
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Originally Posted by rapidcarbon
The groupset (8 piece groupset, w/o hub) doesn't come with lockring.

If you order wheels or hubs then you will get a lockring.

But I could be wrong, I've only been ORDERING (for me and for my friends) 5 Campy Record groupsets, 8 Campy Eurus wheelsets for the past 1 year.
I've only ever ordered two record groupsets, both times with the hubs, always came with the lockring.

The point is, as he has realized, the fault lies with his LBS.
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Originally Posted by IcemanYQQ
Wow, someone with an attitude. OK, so he had order a cassette, it won't come with the lockring, but if he had ordered the groupset, it would have come with the lockring. But I could be wrong, I've only been riding Campy for 22 years.



You should direct your quotes to the intended person(s).

Sorry for not splitting up the quote stuff a bit better. But, also he did state that he didn't order a groupset complete with hubs.... that it was a takeoff. Obviously the LBS screwed up by not giving him a lockring with the hubs though.

The brake hardware thing is a little weird though..... no ideas what's going on there. Maybe the LBS distributor sucks
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I guess some of it is the LBS's fault like several have said. But that being said, I must say they're a fantastic LBS. So far the owner has spent nearly $100 fixing the whole brake carrier delimma for me for no charge at all. I'm quite certain he'll get me a lockring free of charge as well. Here's what I think happened: This shop sell a TON of Zipp wheels. Often times swapping out factory wheelsets on new bikes for Zipps right off the showroom floor (not for free obviously ) The wheelset I bought had a set of tires on it, but they show no signs of use at all. I'm betting they swapped the wheels for someone and had to use the lockring on the new wheels. He had to order new cogs for me, so he probably used the original cogs on another bike. He could have also used the original lockring there. Who knows? While it's been frustrating I know he'll fix it and if I ever decide to build another bike with Campy, I'll know all of the "Campy-isms" that I never would have imagined otherwise. Also, while proving rather troublesome, I must say these are easily the purtiest components I've ever held in my filthy little paws.
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Originally Posted by Lamplight
While it's been frustrating I know he'll fix it and if I ever decide to build another bike with Campy
Once you have riden it, you will know that you will build with Campy again...

I ride with a 11-23 Chorus cassette, lockring is alway an extra purchase.
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Originally Posted by Lamplight
<snip> So far the owner has spent nearly $100 fixing the whole brake carrier delimma for me for no charge at all. <snip>
Gee, I can get a brand new set for $75 retail, no tax, no shipping

http://www.probikekit.com/display.php?code=L1087
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Campy has been good to me for many, many years. So has Shimano.
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