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LBS vs Online - Another Experience

Old 07-19-06, 11:02 PM
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LBS vs Online - Another Experience

I buy most of my stuff used and online. Call it personal preference.

I wanted to get a set of Campy hubs rebuilt with new rims and spokes and figured I'd give the LBS's a shot. I called 3 local shops here in Portland and was quoted no less than $275 for 2 Velocity Aerohead rims, 64 Wheelsmith DB 14/15 spokes, nipples and labor. For some reason, I thought that was kind of high.

So I called Mike Garcia. $190 including shipping.

(Shrug)

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Boy, good thing you didn't email him. You'd still be...waiting.

J/k, of course. Does make you wonder why Los LBS's continue to offer uncompetitive prices when 'surely' they know the competition is 'stealing' their business. Don't they surf the net in their spare time?

I wonder what the response from those same LBS'ers would be if you showed them an edited quote from Garcia.

Edit: I meant to suggest editing said quote to hide his name lest they lambaste him for his reasonable prices and shamelessly high quality. OTH, they'd probably email him, and he'd never know.
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Old 07-19-06, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I buy most of my stuff used and online. Call it personal preference.

I wanted to get a set of Campy hubs rebuilt with new rims and spokes and figured I'd give the LBS's a shot. I called 3 local shops here in Portland and was quoted no less than $275 for 2 Velocity Aerohead rims, 64 Wheelsmith DB 14/15 spokes, nipples and labor. For some reason, I thought that was kind of high.

So I called Mike Garcia. $190 including shipping.

(Shrug)

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$275 does seem high. Where does Jakey get his wheels built...South Salem? I've been impressed with the guys at Bike Peddler in Salem as well. Their labor is only $25 per wheel or $11 to finish one off that you've laced.
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I always give the LBS a chance first, but if there's too much of a gap or too much waiting time, I move on to mail order or ebay. Tried to buy a Campy Veloce cassette once, and LBS quoted double the price and 2 weeks of waiting time. I can wait 2 weeks or I can pay twice the price, but not both. If they aren't paying for the floor space, they should be happy to make a profit $5 over cost plus shipping.

Anyway, that wheel build does seem high. Any ol' LBS would be able to get those rims for $60 each and the spokes for .50 each. That makes $152 plus labor around $35 per wheel and $222 is the worst case scenerio in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
Anyway, that wheel build does seem high. Any ol' LBS would be able to get those rims for $60 each and the spokes for .50 each. That makes $152 plus labor around $35 per wheel and $222 is the worst case scenerio in my opinion.
I had around $225 in my head as well. But all 3 LBS wanted $70 each for the rims, $1 each for the spokes (including nipples) and no less than $35 each for the labor.

Granted, I didn't just call 3 stores at random. I called 3 that I had heard/felt had the best wheelbuilding reputations. In other words, I didn't bother to check with Performance.

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Wow, I thought the msrp on aeroheads was $60, $65 for OCR. I found mine for $40 and $50 from a fairly local store.
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Rad, are you supplying the hubs?

I had a set of 32 spoke Open Pro’s built by my LBS and the cost was around two hundred and sixty bucks and I supplied the hubs. I like the looks and ride of these wheels so much that I plan on replacing the Bontrager Race Lite’s on my Lemond with an Open Pro with Dura-Ace hubs.

Do you prefer the Velocity Aerohead rims over Open Pro's? If so, why? I've heard nothing but good things about Mike Garcia and I will certainly consider using him. BTW, the FH-7800 dura-ace hubs are very expensive. So far, it looks like I'll be spending two to three hundred on the hubs alone. I may have to consider alternatives.
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Rad, are you supplying the hubs?

I had a set of 32 spoke Open Pro’s built by my LBS and the cost was around two hundred and sixty bucks and I supplied the hubs. I like the looks and ride of these wheels so much that I plan on replacing the Bontrager Race Lite’s on my Lemond with an Open Pro with Dura-Ace hubs.

Do you prefer the Velocity Aerohead rims over Open Pro's? If so, why? I've heard nothing but good things about Mike Garcia and I will certainly consider using him. BTW, the FH-7800 dura-ace hubs are very expensive. So far, it looks like I'll be spending two to three hundred on the hubs alone. I may have to consider alternatives.
Yep, I'll be sending Mike the 32 hole Campy C-Record hubs I recently purchased. I considered the OP's but went with the Aeroheads for a couple of reasons. First, they are almost exactly the same shape of the rims they will be replacing - the Campy Omega Strada Hardox - Aero version from 1989. I wanted to keep to something that was close to period correct - even if they didn't exist at the time. Second, I have the rims on another set of wheels and like them.

As for the OP's, if you like them, stick with them. They are great rims.
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Thanks for the info. I don't have a problem with going to the Velocity rim vs Open Pro's. I doubt I would notice much difference in the ride quality.

I put the front wheel of commuter on my Lemond the other day due to a flat tire and I wanted to get riding as soon as possible. I was struck by how nice the silver spoke/silver rims looked on my bike. That's what got me thinking of replacing the Bontragers. I'm thinking that I may be looking at this build all wrong. I was on Odds and Endo's website and it looks like I can get a set of Velocity AeroHead's with SpeedCific Perception hubs for around 400 bucks. Are these hubs comparable to the Dura-Ace?
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
Wow, I thought the msrp on aeroheads was $60, $65 for OCR. I found mine for $40 and $50 from a fairly local store.
$55.00 each rim at wheelbuilders.com, ya, I only go to the LBS to help me fix stuff that I can't do myself or get small parts that I can't wait for.
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Originally Posted by Mariner Fan
I was on Odds and Endo's website and it looks like I can get a set of Velocity AeroHead's with SpeedCific Perception hubs for around 400 bucks. Are these hubs comparable to the Dura-Ace?
No, but they are excellent hubs nonetheless - the red Trek below has that combination.
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+1 for online shopping yet again.
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Originally Posted by 55/Rad
I buy most of my stuff used and online. Call it personal preference.

I wanted to get a set of Campy hubs rebuilt with new rims and spokes and figured I'd give the LBS's a shot. I called 3 local shops here in Portland and was quoted no less than $275 for 2 Velocity Aerohead rims, 64 Wheelsmith DB 14/15 spokes, nipples and labor. For some reason, I thought that was kind of high.

So I called Mike Garcia. $190 including shipping.

(Shrug)

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In Portland, you may want to check out Universal Cycles. They do most of their business online, but they are located in NW Portland. They do a lot of custom wheels, and you can check their prices using their "Wheel kit builder" on their web site. I had them build a rear wheel for me a couple of months ago, and I am quite pleased. Their prices were quite a bit lower than my LBS.
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do you buy all your home audio / computer equipment at best buy or circuit city? do you buy all your electronics parts at radio shack? no? why not? they're huge chains and they still can't be even remotely competetive with online pricing. the relative cost of bricks, mortar, rent and a crew to run a place to serve a small local area will always outweigh that of running a warehouse to serve the entire country / world with minimal overhead. considering further that an LBS buys in much less bulk and sells in far less volume than the big corporations i mentioned before, there's even less grounds for whining about the prices.

i like saving money as much as anyone else, and each purchase has to be weighed against being frugal or throwing my LBS a bone and supporting a business that has helped me out in more situations than I can recall over the last few years. if you would rather save money, shop online, but don't whine about local prices.
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Originally Posted by Marcello
In Portland, you may want to check out Universal Cycles. They do most of their business online, but they are located in NW Portland. They do a lot of custom wheels, and you can check their prices using their "Wheel kit builder" on their web site. I had them build a rear wheel for me a couple of months ago, and I am quite pleased. Their prices were quite a bit lower than my LBS.
Good option - they want $225 for the build. But for $35 less, I'll take the known quality of Mike.

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