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Ease of fixing a flat

Old 07-20-06, 08:33 AM
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Ease of fixing a flat

I usually buy wire bead tires for my bikes (a bit cheaper and work just as well since I don't care about the weight)

I just patched a tube yesterday on my bike that came with non-wire bead tires (kevlar?). I found the process of putting the tire back on much more difficult than with wire bead tires!! The tire was all 'floppy' and it was hard to keep the tube properly positioned (kept on falling out) while I tried to put the tire back on the rim. A 20 minute job took me 40 min instead!

Anyone else have this problem? I am sure that I have to re-think my technique.
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I was just thinking that I might try folding tires next time I need one. I thought it would be easier to get the tire on the rim but after your post I'm reconsidering.
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I had that problem the first time I used foldable tires. After some practice though, I like the foldables better. Make sure you are only putting on one bead at a time. Work one side on. Then the other. Don't try to seat both beads at the same time like I used to do with wire beads.
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Put some air in your tube before inserting it in the tire. That will give both some shape to avoid the "floppy" problem.
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That floppy thing takes some getting used to!

Maybe it's just me, but I specifically pick foldable bead tires because I find them much easier and faster to change. Once they've been mounted for a month or so, I don't even need tire levers. I can do a tube change on the side of the road in six or seven minutes and still have some hope of catching up to the group.

My only "tricks" are the ones already posted above -- put a little air in the tube, and put the beads on one at a time.
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Practice.
One bead. Then place the tube (partially inflated - usually just blow it up with your mouth, not the pump). Then work the other bead.
Don't use the tire irons to finish the last bit of tire; use your hands. It's harder on some tires than on others. But it's the better way to do it.

You're using baby powder on the tube, right?
That helps the process a little, and gives a more supple ride.
Slather it on the tube and inside the tire.
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Originally Posted by EventServices
Practice.
One bead. Then place the tube (partially inflated - usually just blow it up with your mouth, not the pump). Then work the other bead.
Don't use the tire irons to finish the last bit of tire; use your hands. It's harder on some tires than on others. But it's the better way to do it.
+1

Also, when you're out and about and get a flat, do not take the tire off the rim completely. Just unseat one bead, pull the bad tube out, re-insert the new tube (with enough air in it to make it round), and re-seat the bead. It literally takes a just a few minutes, and you don't have to deal with the floppy tire thing while "in the field".
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The ease of fixing a flat is inversely proportional to the suitability of the conditions when it's being fixed.
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Originally Posted by CastIron
The ease of fixing a flat is inversely proportional to the suitability of the conditions when it's being fixed.
Truer words have never been spoken. Flats in the rain can bring a grown man to tears.
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Originally Posted by Hambone
Truer words have never been spoken. Flats in the rain can bring a grown man to tears.
I don't mind those. It's the flats in the blizzards that bother me.
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Flats at nite
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Originally Posted by Albany-12303
The tire was all 'floppy' and it was hard to keep the tube properly positioned (kept on falling out) while I tried to put the tire back on the rim. A 20 minute job took me 40 min instead!
I hope you're not removing the tire entirely from the rim when replacing tubes.
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Some tire/rim combinations can be VERY hard to change. I've broken a few strong plastic tire levers before.
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Originally Posted by The Fixer
I hope you're not removing the tire entirely from the rim when replacing tubes.

I remove the tire competely and inspect the inside for the source of the flat.

You mean there is a better way?
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Originally Posted by Albany-12303
I remove the tire competely and inspect the inside for the source of the flat.

You mean there is a better way?
Yes. Inspect the inside without completely removing the tire.
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Originally Posted by recursive
Yes. Inspect the inside without completely removing the tire.

Come to think of it, it seems like the obvious thing to to now! I guess that being self-taught is not always the best thing!!
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Originally Posted by recursive
Yes. Inspect the inside without completely removing the tire.
+1

I carry a small bag of cotton balls. Just run one around the inside of the tire's surface, and if there's anything sticking through you'll feel/see the cotton snag. Great for small thorns and radial tire wire bits.
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It takes you 20 minutes to change a flat? I guess with patching it can take a bit longer but not much more than 10 minutes, no?

That aside, I used to think wire-beaded tires were tougher to get on. Now I think it depends on the specific tire, bead aside.
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So, if you leave one bead on...remove the old tube...you should be able to find any foreign object in the tire by locating the hole in the tube. I also found that a pair of tweezers is handy. I once had to pull a thorn out from the inside and I couldn't do it with my fingernails. Luckily the flat occurred in front of a grocery store. The tweezers go everywhere with me now. Last night a stick popped up and got stuck in the cogs. Tweezers to the rescue! Better try the cotton ball thing too.
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Originally Posted by HillMut
Some tire/rim combinations can be VERY hard to change. I've broken a few strong plastic tire levers before.
+ 1

I often read around here not to use levers to put on a tire. With my ProRace2 Tires, it's impossible to put them on my wheels without using a lever.
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Originally Posted by -=£em in Pa=-
Flats at nite
......And you dropped your tire iron in the tall grass

Lol that would suck. Worse breaking a able at night with a head light you just cant get un mounted to use as a flash light. Thats a nightmare i did that long long ago on a rear derailer that had the cable clamp inside the derailer. I ended up giving up and turnign the high set screw all the way in and road home in like the 3rd rear cog.
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