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Ultegra VS 105

Old 07-21-06, 06:52 PM
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Ultegra VS 105

Hi, Im looking for my first road bike. I saw two models, the Merida 905-20 and the Merida 904-20. The only diferences between them is that one come with the ultegra group and the other with the 105. The difference in price is $400 more or less. What I want to know if there is really differences between the ultegra and the 105.
Thanks for yours opinons.

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Old 07-21-06, 07:06 PM
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I would so go for the 105, you won't notice a difference.
I road tiagra(one step down from 105) for 3 years and now have ultegra, the difference is not great. Don't get me wrong the ultegra is nicer but not hugely...
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105. If you have a few extra bucks use it to upgrade the wheels at the time of sale.
The dealer should give you a nice trade for the stock wheels and you go out the door with an even faster bike.
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Originally Posted by dcandal
Hi, I´m looking for my first road bike. I saw two models, the Merida 905-20 and the Merida 904-20. The only diferences between them is that one come with the ultegra group and the other with the 105. The difference in price is $400 more or less. What I want to know if there is really differences between the ultegra and the 105.
Thanks for yours opinons.

Daniel
daniel, if you search 'ultegra 105' you likely will find many threads where this issue has been discussed at great length... (click the 'search this forum' link at the top of any page on this forum..)

i think the general consensus might be that while ultegra is 'better' stuff, a '105' gruppo would be just fine for just about all of us under most conditions...

save the $400, which you probably will need for pedals, shoes, and all the other gear that you need for a road bike....
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+1. The new 10-speed 105 is especially nice. The performance gap between 105 and ultegra, already small, got narrowed a bit this year.

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Originally Posted by DrPete
+1. The new 10-speed 105 is especially nice. The performance gap between 105 and ultegra, already small, got narrowed a bit this year.

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+1 to what DrPete said.
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Are you sure that's the only difference? The wheels and everything else are the same?
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Originally Posted by DrPete
+1. The new 10-speed 105 is especially nice. The performance gap between 105 and ultegra, already small, got narrowed a bit this year.

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Yep. And to take it a step further, the performance gap between 105 and Dura Ace isn't that great either.

As others have said, upgrade the wheels. Then you can take with you if when you decide to go to a different bike.
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Old 07-21-06, 08:57 PM
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The 905 has an Ultegra 53/39 crank and Shimano R550 wheels. The 904 has a Gossamer 50/34 and generic wheels.
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I've got a bike that is all Ultegra 10 speed and another bike that is 105 10 speed with Ultegra front and rear derailleurs. To be honest, I can't tell a bit of difference in the shifting between the two bikes. I would have went all 105 on my second bike but the derailleur upgrade was pretty inexpensive. The Ultegra brakes feel a bit stonger but not by much.

Like others have stated, go for the 105 and upgrade the wheelset, tires, or saddle.
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Originally Posted by voltman
Are you sure that's the only difference? The wheels and everything else are the same?
He's right. Check all the components, and be sure they haven't snuck in a few odds and ends of lower quality stuff. Bike makers and dealers do that a lot.
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Try riding both and see if you can tell a difference in shifting. I could.
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Originally Posted by jtown
Try riding both and see if you can tell a difference in shifting. I could.
What are the differences that you noticed?
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Shifting on Ultegra seemed much more crisp in my opinion. I rode them back to back and maybe it was the placebo affect, but I thought I could really feel the difference at least in the brifters.
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Ooh, those shimano wheels are nice! I have a bike with a 105 groupo, and I swapped the low end RPM tripple for a shimano R700 compact crank and Dura Ace BB, and MAN is the shifting good! I have 9 speed 105 BTW.
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If you go to probikekit,the difference in price between 105 and Ultegra is about £30.
On thse grounds,they should discontinue the 105.
As Rob999 says.Tiagra is great and hardly any worse
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Originally Posted by voltman
The 905 has an Ultegra 53/39 crank and Shimano R550 wheels. The 904 has a Gossamer 50/34 and generic wheels.
If the 904 has a MegaExo Gossamer, then cranks aren't really that different. If not, then the Ultegra is clearly better than the standard Gossamer. Though I am a Campy road rider, Shimano R550 wheels are a great buy for the money. They work very well. These are the little things that keep you wondering.

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Originally Posted by late
105. If you have a few extra bucks use it to upgrade the wheels at the time of sale.
The dealer should give you a nice trade for the stock wheels and you go out the door with an even faster bike.
Good call. Better wheels are worth the price difference more than a single step upgrade in gruppo.
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a lbs guy who i just met was talking to me about 105 to ultegra. he sais something like "105 is for the every day rider who is getting to the nexty level and just wants to hammer miles onto their bike. dura ace is club racers who have been riding for a while and have more money. altegra means you either are sponsored or just have way too much money and dont know what to do with it.
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Originally Posted by feethanddooth
a lbs guy who i just met was talking to me about 105 to ultegra. he sais something like "105 is for the every day rider who is getting to the nexty level and just wants to hammer miles onto their bike. dura ace is club racers who have been riding for a while and have more money. altegra means you either are sponsored or just have way too much money and dont know what to do with it.
Where does Ultegra fit into all of it?
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