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Things not to say to the guy pulling....

Old 07-22-06, 04:48 AM
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Things not to say to the guy pulling....

So, I've not had a lot of folks to ride groups with around my area. I had a ride partner that I was pretty in tune with and he and I were right at the perfect place to push each other when we rode. We pulled the other guy on their bad day, and shared pulls for some great 40+kph speeds.

He moved recently, and a handful of other riders have moved into the area. Some faster, some slower, and some yet to be ridden with.

Today I rode with a guy I've only ridden with one other time. In his defense, I'm not sure if he intended to come across wrong. He seems to be a good rider, has done the Ironman feat and stuck with me today. I'd ridden very hard today and was pretty tired today. We're coming back from the turn around around 60km into the ride. Mostly downhill at this point and he pulls up along side me (he'd yet to get in front for a pull), and he says:

"My heart rate is only around 140, if you've got more in you, I can hang."

Ummm... I smiled and kept spinning my spin. I told guys I work with today that I'd rather have someone wheelsuck than no one at all riding with me. Either way it becomes a solo event.

What's the worst thing a guy can say after sucking your wheel for 60k, with 30k to go?
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Old 07-22-06, 05:35 AM
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Can you carry my water bottle? I don't like to have too much weight on the bike. Can you step it up a bit, Gilligan's Island is gonna start in 30.
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Old 07-22-06, 05:35 AM
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How about "Are you warmed up yet?"
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Its not like your actually using engery to pull the guy, just be happy to have a group...if you pull the whole way you don't get cheated on a good workout...nothing worse then spinning for a while and not getting a good workout
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Old 07-22-06, 05:53 AM
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Why not just tell him if he wants a higher HR to take the front?
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"What do you think about doing a sprint?"

...O RLY? You seem to lack the power to not wheelsuck, yet you want to sprint? Punk I'd whoop you hard enough to make you envy the red-headed stepchildren.
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Did you know your brake pad is rubbing on your wheel?
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'Hey, be careful, you didn't warn me of that pothole'
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"Your turn."
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Originally Posted by spiderbike
Its not like your actually using engery to pull the guy
No???...remind me not to check into the 'spiderbike' wind tunnel!....All other wind tunnel testing suggests that the cleaner the 'escape' of airflow, the less drag created. Someone sitting immediately on your wheel, will interupt this airflow & increase drag, thus decreasing speed or increasing energt requirement to maintain the same speed if the 'sucker' wasn't there!.....another installment from Hitchy's 'believe it or not'
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More likely than not I'll be scared by hearing this from a draftee

"You have a really nice ass sir"
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those shorts sure make your ass look big.

edit:jslopez beat me to the button.....but with a name like J Lopez..
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Hitchy, was that from a real wind tunnel or you in your garage with a room fan....
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Originally Posted by spiderbike
Hitchy, was that from a real wind tunnel or you in your garage with a room fan....
...do your homework, then come back to me
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Originally Posted by jslopez
More likely than not I'll be scared by hearing this from a draftee

"You have a really nice ass sir"
It all depends on a gender of the rider who said it.
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
No???...remind me not to check into the 'spiderbike' wind tunnel!....All other wind tunnel testing suggests that the cleaner the 'escape' of airflow, the less drag created. Someone sitting immediately on your wheel, will interupt this airflow & increase drag, thus decreasing speed or increasing energt requirement to maintain the same speed if the 'sucker' wasn't there!.....another installment from Hitchy's 'believe it or not'
True, but the effect is negligible.
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Old 07-22-06, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
All other wind tunnel testing suggests that the cleaner the 'escape' of airflow, the less drag created. Someone sitting immediately on your wheel, will interupt this airflow & increase drag, thus decreasing speed or increasing energt requirement to maintain the same speed if the 'sucker' wasn't there!.....another installment from Hitchy's 'believe it or not'
Put me down as an unbeliever.

"Suprisingly drafting not only helps the bicyclist following the leader, but the lead cyclist gains an advantage as well. Paul explained, "The interesting thing is by filling in her eddy you improve the front person's performance as well. So two people who are drafting can put out less energy than two individuals (who are not drafting) would covering the same distance in the same time.""
http://www.exploratorium.edu/cycling/aerodynamics2.html

Turbulent aerodynamics is complex, and sometimes the effects are not intuitive. As in this case.
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
No???...remind me not to check into the 'spiderbike' wind tunnel!....All other wind tunnel testing suggests that the cleaner the 'escape' of airflow, the less drag created. Someone sitting immediately on your wheel, will interupt this airflow & increase drag, thus decreasing speed or increasing energt requirement to maintain the same speed if the 'sucker' wasn't there!.....another installment from Hitchy's 'believe it or not'

Unless you've got fins on the back generating vortices, the guy in the back is making your air stay laminar longer...thus you've less of a vacuum on your back.
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I cannot believe he even had the guts to say this to you! Obviously he is used to getting a ride from everyone else and not pulling in his own weight! that reminded me of my exriding partner, he was a bit like this too! I kicked him to the curve and found one who knows just how to be supportive
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Originally Posted by NomadVW
Today I rode with a guy I've only ridden with one other time. In his defense, I'm not sure if he intended to come across wrong. He seems to be a good rider, has done the Ironman feat and stuck with me today. I'd ridden very hard today and was pretty tired today. We're coming back from the turn around around 60km into the ride. Mostly downhill at this point and he pulls up along side me (he'd yet to get in front for a pull), and he says:

"My heart rate is only around 140, if you've got more in you, I can hang."
You're way too sensitive. I've said similar things to stronger riders towing me home. After all, the lead rider has to guess what my limit is and we both want to get home as soon as possible. If he guesses wrong and goes too hard, I ask him to ease off. If he's going too easy, I let him know he can pick it up if he wants to (I leave it up to him, I'm in no position to tell him to go harder when I can't pull). There's a huge gap between being able to sit in at a quicker pace and being able to share the work.
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Originally Posted by Hitchy
No???...remind me not to check into the 'spiderbike' wind tunnel!....All other wind tunnel testing suggests that the cleaner the 'escape' of airflow, the less drag created. Someone sitting immediately on your wheel, will interupt this airflow & increase drag, thus decreasing speed or increasing energt requirement to maintain the same speed if the 'sucker' wasn't there!.....another installment from Hitchy's 'believe it or not'
Data (with cyclists) please?
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Originally Posted by blonduathlongrl
I cannot believe he even had the guts to say this to you! Obviously he is used to getting a ride from everyone else and not pulling in his own weight! that reminded me of my exriding partner, he was a bit like this too! I kicked him to the curve and found one who knows just how to be supportive
That's not the way I read it. The guy in question has accomplished an IRONMAN? The guy has spent plenty of hours on the bike, and most of them were probably by himself. He is not used to sucking someone's wheel, he is used to riding by himself.

Also, that comment about finding a riding partner that was "more supportive." Just makes me think you are "needy!"

PS, I'm moving to Maine soon, and if you look anything like that picture.......I'm very supportive!!
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What's the worst thing a guy can say after sucking your wheel for 60k, with 30k to go?
Hey, you ready to start working some Intervals into this ride?
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Originally Posted by jslopez
More likely than not I'll be scared by hearing this from a draftee

"You have a really nice ass sir"
I was going to post that.
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I think you misjudged what he said. After reading your post twice it seems to me he was just trying to tell you that you could go faster if you wanted to:

1) He doesn't know you're tired
2) He thinks you may have been holding back to not drop his ass so was doing you a courtesy.

I can see how his statement could've been miscontrued as something akin to a taunt. IMHO it wasn't.
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