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Very controversial statements on ESPN this morning

Old 07-24-06, 10:19 AM
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Look to see a plethora of "controversial" editorials, comments, and such over the next few days. It's "info-tainment" and opinions, not news or facts that's being reported. Moreover, the measure of one of these show's success is the "chatter" that it creates so, I know it's hard, but try not to get sucked-in by it all... particularly if the "source" isn't credible and/or anyone who has a well-respected track record for being a legitimate journalist, reporter, or editorialist.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by YATES

While talking about doping.
"Landis is the first natural athlete to win the tour in a while" - Greg LeMond.
(possibly inferring that armstrong was a doper)
This is likely what he was talking about, but there are other alternatives I guess. He could have been referring to the fact that Armstrong apparently put 10x the training that anyone else did. So, his ability wasn't natural in the sense that he had to work for it. I guess the implication, in this case, would be that Landis didin't train as hard, and so any ability he had was given to him naturally.

I don't know where Lemond comes off sometimes. I agree that that he came off as an arrogant prick on that OLN piece... the horrible part about that, is that those things are supposed to make the athlete look good. What I don't get is how he's been convinced that Armstrong has been doping this whole time, and immediately praises Landis' achievements?
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Old 07-24-06, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by smellygary
What can you expect from a sports dialogue show called Cold Pizza?
This thread should have ended with this comment

The only reason that Lance and now hopefully Landis will be well noted in American sports sceen is because of all the god fearin, cold pizza eatin, bear drinkin, nascar watchin, couch sittin, dog woopin, wife beatin, freedom fry eatin, fat red necks think that another Merikan beat them wussy French at there own game.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by jfmckenna
This thread should have ended with this comment

The only reason that Lance and now hopefully Landis will be well noted in American sports sceen is because of all the god fearin, cold pizza eatin, bear drinkin, nascar watchin, couch sittin, dog woopin, wife beatin, freedom fry eatin, fat red necks think that another Merikan beat them wussy French at there own game.
but boy do i love watchin our boys woopin' on them frogs and i-talians
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Old 07-24-06, 10:44 AM
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Nobody called LeMond a "hack"...but that OLN piece made him sound pretty bad. I couldn't believe how ungrateful he was to just about everyone that crossed his path. He really thinks the world was out to get him.

Oh, and there were doping tests when he was riding. The OLN thing had a snippet of how they photographed everything to make sure he wasn't set-up.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:44 AM
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I hope ESPN takes back Lance's ESPY awards then. It wouldn't be right for a non-athlete to be athlete of the year.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by YATES
These statements were just made on the t.v. show Cold Pizza on ESPN


"Do you believe that Armstrong and Landis are great athletes?" - Jay Crawford
"Anyone who rides a bicycle is not a great athlete." - Skip Bayless
Just what is that thing on the sideline that participants in many sports use to warm up/ keep warm? Looks like a stationary bike to me.

So it looks like there are no great atheletes in:

Football (gridiron)
Football (soccer)
Basketball

But I guess there are in baseball, car racing and billiards.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:46 AM
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Skip Bayliss used to be a guest host for the Fabulous Sports Babe back in the day. He currently fills that role for Jim Rome. If you've ever heard him, his schtick is all contoversy all the time. His primary goal is to piss you off so you call his show to argue with him, or at least listen in. His comments about cycling are exactly what I would expect.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:56 AM
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This Bayless dude has pulled such nonsense before. Ignore him like a little fly buzzing around in the air.
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Old 07-24-06, 10:59 AM
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football players especially offensive lineman are great athletes, seeing a 300 pounder move his feet stay balanced and use power is unbelievable...riding a bike is still difficult and athletic but not near the amount of mental and physical stress that a football player goes through...
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Old 07-24-06, 11:03 AM
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Bayless is a big bag of nothing and has been for years. He says stuff like that because at this point in his career it's all that he has left.

Lemond can't help himself but to make every statement about cycling a dig into at Armstrong. At this point in his career, that's all that he has left as well.
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Originally Posted by sunofsand
I think to be an athlete you have to be able to play all sports with some degree of appreciable skill. I don't believe you can call someone who only participates in one sport, event or game an athlete.

WHAT????

From Dictionary.com
A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports, especially those performed in competitive contexts
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Old 07-24-06, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by badkarma
People can say and believe whatever they want. Some people believe that you have to have a skill (hit a baseball, make a basket, etc.) to be an athlete.
That's one of the 2 ways I understand the statement too, ... but that's just insane. The other possible way that a cyclist is not an athlete is because he's sitting down most of the time

Golfers have for years clammored to be called athletes, and under this definition they absolutely are, while cyclists and runners are not.

Any human powered racing is in most people's opinion the epitomy of athleticicm and sport.
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Originally Posted by spiderbike
football players especially offensive lineman are great athletes, seeing a 300 pounder move his feet stay balanced and use power is unbelievable...riding a bike is still difficult and athletic but not near the amount of mental and physical stress that a football player goes through...
I am sorry, I truly am but that is one of the stupidest things I ever heard. I played both football (among many other sports) and race bikes. A 1 hour criterium is much harder then any football game I have ever played in my life and I played tight end and linebacker. While I agree that a 300 pound offensive lineman is a true athlete I cannot see any comparison to bike racing. Sure during play football is intense and often times painful but the far majority of the time you are sitting around and there are many many plays that just go right by you.
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Originally Posted by SBSpartan
OLN did a "Fearless" on LeMond yesterday. He came off like one hell of a prick. After watching that piece from 2 years ago I don't take much of what he says to heart. He tried to pin himself as the last great noble rider that ever was.
I was not impressed by all his drama about how Hineault promissed him that he would let him win that year, and then how he felt all betrayed, and how "fixing" the tour seemed like something he deserved.
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Old 07-24-06, 12:00 PM
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Bayless is exactly the hollow plastic surgery disaster he appears to be. He never seems to have anything original or intelligent to say.

Bayless made a similar claim about Armstrong not being a 'great athlete' last year. Ask any professional athlete how difficult it is to ride a bike at speed for hours on end. They'll know the story...
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Old 07-24-06, 12:01 PM
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ummm I called LeMond a hack because that is what he is.

He also whines about how everyone is out to get him

He also let himself go get out of shape so who is he to say anything about anyone else.
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+1 on Bayless being a turd, idiot - he's trying trying to stir controversy (see Aikman)

But, damn, his brother Rick can sure cook some mean mexican food (Mexico: One Plate at a Time).
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Originally Posted by SaddleBags
+1 on Bayless being a turd, idiot - he's trying trying to stir controversy (see Aikman)

But, damn, his brother Rick can sure cook some mean mexican food (Mexico: One Plate at a Time).
Are you serious**********?

I love that show!

Also Simply Ming.
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Originally Posted by DocRay
ESPN , don't they consider Celebrity Poker a sport? ..
Ranks way up there with hot dog eating. Reminds me of a comment Darrel Waltrip (former stock car driver) made a couple years back. I don't remember the exact words, but it was something along the lines of:

These drivers work hard and need to be in condition -- that's why people call them athletes nowadays. Back when I drove, everyone just called us rednecks......
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LEMONd is a hack and he is trying to get his name out there in anyway he can.
Poor lemond. He is having some serious issues with Lance beating his record. But instead of crying about it, he should have kept training and won three more TDFs. Even if we assume Lance doped, his rise from cancer to 7 TDFs is amazing.
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*news flash* *news flash* *news flash*

they all dope. Sure landis is an amazing athlete, as is lance.

you don't come back and put 8 minutes on everyone after completely cracking without drugs
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I will put forth my definition of sport... for something to be a sport, it has to satisfy these simple rules:

1) Your opponents actions must DIRECTLY!! affect your own actions. (and yes, you MUST have 1 or more opponents).

2) You must be able to pull a groin muscle doing it... OR there must be fear of death. I sometimes make the muscle pulled inspecific.

If your activity doesn't satisfy these rules, it is probably a skill (your objective is to do the exact same thing over and over, regardless of your opponents actions)... or just a game (like Chess).

An athlete is anyone who does anything athletic... anyone who participates in any activity or sport or skill where pulling a muscle is possible.

I like to think this covers everything ... but I'm sure it doesn't. But by my rules, I'm an athlete when I bowl, but bowling is not a sport, it is a skill, as is Golf. I'm not an athlete when I play darts but darts is a skill... chess isn't a skill or a sport, it's a game, just like checkers... only a bit more sophisticated.

Cycling and running can be problematic because in a time trial, it's you against you... which would seem to rule out it being a sport.... but in a peloton sprint, that's hardly the case. The jury is still out for me on this one. Some of the cyclists you can tell will vary their output based on their opponents (see Landis when he got the 8 minutes back)...

Any thoughts
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Cycling and running can be problematic because in a time trial, it's you against you.
True in some sense, but your opponent's result will affect(effect?) your end result. Does that make sense?
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Do some of you realize that you are engaging in the exact same poo-pooing of other sports that you hate to see reporters do? Does someone's opinion have to jibe with yours in order not to be labelled an a**hole, hack, or whatever epithet you choose? I think they are all athletes, from NFL players to figure skaters. I am willing to give credit to anyone who trains hard physically to get to the top of their chosen atheltic endeavor....whatever that may be.

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