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Tufo Tubular Clinchers Anyone? (tried search)

Old 07-30-06, 03:01 PM
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Tufo Tubular Clinchers Anyone? (tried search)

I come across these from time to time while tire shopping. Can anyone provide their experiences with them? They seem to have some real merit but...

Is mounting easy?
Are they lighter than a tube/tire combo?
How do you repair them?
What's the valve stem length?
Looks like they have a high psi rating?
Gotta carry a whole tire along with huh?

I'm interested!
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I run a set on my race wheels and they are decent I run the sealant in them for added security. They weigh about the same as a tire/tube combo. The 1st time you mount them they are a pain but the 2nd one goes easier just follow the video on the website. I had to add an extension to my valve stem the factory length is real short. I used the Tufo valve extenders and never had an issue. I don't think they can be fixed like a regular tubular so once it goes and the sealant doesn't do it then you are done. I don't carry a spare but am always worried.
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Old 07-30-06, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Talewinds
I come across these from time to time while tire shopping. Can anyone provide their experiences with them? They seem to have some real merit but...

Is mounting easy?
Are they lighter than a tube/tire combo?
How do you repair them?
What's the valve stem length?
Looks like they have a high psi rating?
Gotta carry a whole tire along with huh?

I'm interested!
1. Mounting is easy once you do it a few times. The first time will have you cursing.
2. They are not lighter or heavier than a tire/tube combo. I do carry a spare tire with me which is more weight than carrying just a tube.
3. You add sealant when you first inflate that should take care of small punctures. Since it is a tubeless tire that is about all you can do.
4. Valve stem length is the same as regular tube.
5. I run mine around 140psi.
6. You do not have to but I do just in case.
I have had mine on for a little over 1000 miles and really like them. I like running at the higher pressure, and I like the way they ride. That is my main reason for using them. I have not had any punctures yet but I do carry a spare tire that I mounted on a wheel for a while to stretch it a little so when I do have to use it will mount easily. Do not add too much sealant as this could clog the valve stem.
I believe Rad55 uses them and has posted weight comparisons to regular tube and tire combo and I believe they are the same or less. No tube or rim tape are the reasons they are comparable.
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Old 07-30-06, 03:42 PM
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I ran with them for about a year - the C-Elites and the S-33's. From a performance perspective, they are great. The ones I had were lighter when compared to the Continental 3000 and Michelin Carbons I normally used + the performance brand (not Ultralight) 117 gram tube and rim tape.

I didn't carry a spare - I just didn't want to as they are bulky to carry around. The sealant works for normal small punctures but not the tire munching big stuff. For some reason, I had bad luck with them in that I destroyed 3 of them, leaving me stranded all 3 times. And of course, any tricks one could use to gerryrig a blown clincher in order to hobble home wouldn't work.

I still have a set but they are not on any wheels at the moment. I'm not sure I will get them again.

Regardless of my experience, they are definitely worth a try.

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Don't know if it makes a difference, but I was at a teammate's house and he said they are his favorite tires on the market. I know he does everything from commuting to racing.
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I have a brand new set of the s22 lite or something that i havent even touched, due to the fact that i ride pretty far and if i got stranded i would be screwed. I did try and mount them once and was cursing at them, i gave up a bit quick.
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I've heard they ride like ****... However the guy I heard that from is usually full of **** himself so I have no idea. To me it seems idiotic to train on tubulars of any type (standard or tub-clincher). I DO see the advantage to having tubular racing wheels, but at that point you can do so much better by using an actual tubular tire and rim than a wanna-be. If you can't afford tubular wheels, buy some top of the line racing clinchers and I bet they will perform better than Tufo tubular clinchers. I'd like to see some straight up comparisons to tires like the Michelin Pro Race2's, Michelin Pro Grips, Vittoria Evo Corsa, Continental Attack/Force or Conti GP4000s.
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Originally Posted by jbhowat
I've heard they ride like ****... However the guy I heard that from is usually full of **** himself so I have no idea. To me it seems idiotic to train on tubulars of any type (standard or tub-clincher). I DO see the advantage to having tubular racing wheels, but at that point you can do so much better by using an actual tubular tire and rim than a wanna-be. If you can't afford tubular wheels, buy some top of the line racing clinchers and I bet they will perform better than Tufo tubular clinchers. I'd like to see some straight up comparisons to tires like the Michelin Pro Race2's, Michelin Pro Grips, Vittoria Evo Corsa, Continental Attack/Force or Conti GP4000s.
Define "ride like ****"
The base for comparison here is against clinchers, not tubulars. I'm interested in them as a BETTER all around alternative to clinchers. I use clinchers to both train and race.
This type of tire appears to me to go up against the clincher market, not the tubular market.
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1. Mounting is easy, even the frst time for me,
2. Don't really know or care
3. Never have to repair them even after 10K miles (I have them on my 3 bikes), so I can't answer
4. I don't have to use valve extension on my rim (Mavic SL, and Eurus)
5. 140psi
6. I'd rather call a cab than to carry a spare tire. But I haven't gotten any flat from them at all.

I really love these tires (CS33 special), never have any problem with them at all. I use them on my racing bike, training bike, commute bike, I wish they make them form mtb too
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Originally Posted by Talewinds
Define "ride like ****"
The base for comparison here is against clinchers, not tubulars. I'm interested in them as a BETTER all around alternative to clinchers. I use clinchers to both train and race.
This type of tire appears to me to go up against the clincher market, not the tubular market.

Yes, it does go against the clincher market, but I haven't heard they offer better performance than high-quality racing clinchers so why give up the ease of repairing / rescuing yourself from a flat.
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Originally Posted by jbhowat
Yes, it does go against the clincher market, but I haven't heard they offer better performance than high-quality racing clinchers so why give up the ease of repairing / rescuing yourself from a flat.
That's a good point.
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Originally Posted by jbhowat
I'd like to see some straight up comparisons to tires like the Michelin Pro Race2's, Michelin Pro Grips, Vittoria Evo Corsa, Continental Attack/Force or Conti GP4000s.
Based on experience, I can honestly say that I FEEL the C-Elites perform better than the following:

Michelin Pro Race
Michelin Carbon
Continental 3000
Continental Attack/Force

If it wasn't for the fact that I seem to have a penchant for destroying them, I'd have them on all my bikes.

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