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john bono 07-31-06 10:52 AM

Seriously Numb Fingers
 
I did a metric century yesterday, and on the way home, I felt some numbness in my hands which has still not gone away as of today. The numbness runs from the heel of my left palm up to the pinkie finger, and on the ring finger a bit as well.

Anyone else experience this? Will it go away in time, or should I get it looked at?

sentinel4675 07-31-06 10:54 AM

If you are still numb, get it checked by a doctor. It sounds like it could be along the lines of carpal tunnell syndrome. At the heel of you hand is where the carpal tunnel is and if you placed a lot of pressure on that area for a length of time, you may have inflamed the tendion under it.

fsor 07-31-06 11:01 AM

Sounds like carpel tunnel troubles.....spenco and others make gloves to help this situation. Do not keep doing what you are doing or you can do some serious damage....see a Dr. Make sure that you force yourself to change positions and shake each hand out routinely while on long rides....

roadfix 07-31-06 11:08 AM

This is an ineresting thread in which I will be following closely. Lately I've been experiencing slight numbness and a tingly sensation on my right thumb and index finger and does not seem to go away. I've never had this problem before.

john bono 07-31-06 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by fsor
Sounds like carpel tunnel troubles.....spenco and others make gloves to help this situation. Do not keep doing what you are doing or you can do some serious damage....see a Dr. Make sure that you force yourself to change positions and shake each hand out routinely while on long rides....

I've had carpal tunnel before, and the feeling is different this time. Last time I had it, the numbness extended to the entire hand, and typically went away when I stopped typing. This seems more chronic, and is a bit more specific to one area of the hand.

I've been wearing the Specialized Body Geometry gloves which have helped a bit. I think in this case it might have hurt me, because I didn't get any real warning signs that it was coming(In the past, when I've felt a bit of numbness, I change my position). In this case, I really didn't feel anything until late in the ride. In any event, riding for me for the next few weeks will be slim to none(not because of numbness). If as been stated earlier, it is the result of an inflamed tendon pressing on a nerve, will taking an anti-inflammatory(Aspirin, Advil, etc) help at all for the time being?

kosherdave 07-31-06 11:55 AM

Probably not carpal tunnel. Get the body geometry gloves... read this if you have a minute.

A while back I came across an article on Cyclist’s Palsey in case you’d like to read more… Ulnar and Median Nerve Palsy in Long-distance Cyclists: A Prospective Study. Patterson et al: Am J Sports Med.2003; 31: 585-589 or at http://ajs.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/31/4/585.

If you don’t want to read the short article I’ll provide you with the Conclusions: Cyclist’s palsy occurs at high rates in both experienced and inexperienced cyclists. Steps may be taken to decrease the incidence of cyclist’s palsy; these include wearing cycling gloves, ensuring proper bicycle fit, and frequently changing hand position.
The use of gel in the glove's palm makes quite a difference by reducing the pressure on your ulnar nerves, which, when aggravated, can cause numbness (often reported by cyclist’s in their pinky fingers). Apparently, over time this can cause actual damage to the median nerve in your wrists, spreading all the way up to your arms to give you lasting chronic cubital tunnel compression, which results in pain and discomfort in the elbow, forearm wrist, hand, neck and even your shoulder!

Mothra 07-31-06 01:02 PM

Sounds like you could've been pinching a nerve in the soft valley in the palm of your hand. The carpal and median nerves as well as arteries run though the center of the hand, so you don't want to be putting your weight there. Angle your hand so the fingers aim outwards and keep the weight on the outside meaty heel of your palms.

also regularly relax your grip and wiggle all your fingers. This makes sure you don't have a deathgrip on the bars which can cut off circulation.

fsor 07-31-06 01:50 PM


Originally Posted by john bono
I've had carpal tunnel before, and the feeling is different this time. Last time I had it, the numbness extended to the entire hand, and typically went away when I stopped typing. This seems more chronic, and is a bit more specific to one area of the hand.

I've been wearing the Specialized Body Geometry gloves which have helped a bit. I think in this case it might have hurt me, because I didn't get any real warning signs that it was coming(In the past, when I've felt a bit of numbness, I change my position). In this case, I really didn't feel anything until late in the ride. In any event, riding for me for the next few weeks will be slim to none(not because of numbness). If as been stated earlier, it is the result of an inflamed tendon pressing on a nerve, will taking an anti-inflammatory(Aspirin, Advil, etc) help at all for the time being?

Your first post sounded to me like the numbness was limited to the smallest two fingers...so the Carpal conclusion...if the whole hand is going off line, then it is probably both carpal and media....there is a tunnel in the elbow that can cause problems to both nerve trunks...are you locking your arms? just a thought... I went to Spenco ironman gloves and it helped a lot...I also buried some gel pads under the bar tape on my commuter bike to provide a channel...good luck to you

fsor 07-31-06 02:01 PM

just a really stupid thought...please forgive.....this isn't just on the left side is it? You are in good cardio health I presume**********? I mean worrying about carpal/medial issues when you are having a heart attack would ruin everyone's day...sorry, I just wanted to be sure.

C-R700 07-31-06 02:08 PM

I am currently experiencing numbness in my left fingers, rode RAGBRAI last week plus some. I am hoping that all will be well with some time of the bike.

john bono 07-31-06 04:32 PM


Originally Posted by fsor
Your first post sounded to me like the numbness was limited to the smallest two fingers...so the Carpal conclusion...if the whole hand is going off line, then it is probably both carpal and media....there is a tunnel in the elbow that can cause problems to both nerve trunks...are you locking your arms? just a thought... I went to Spenco ironman gloves and it helped a lot...I also buried some gel pads under the bar tape on my commuter bike to provide a channel...good luck to you

No, I had carpal tunnel 10 years ago. I felt it in my entire hand. This is an entirely different incident--though my arms are a bit locked. I also noticed today that my handle bars are rock hard on the top. I think the gel on the bars has migrated below the bars.

john bono 07-31-06 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by fsor
just a really stupid thought...please forgive.....this isn't just on the left side is it? You are in good cardio health I presume**********? I mean worrying about carpal/medial issues when you are having a heart attack would ruin everyone's day...sorry, I just wanted to be sure.

Nope, that's not the problem. While I do qualify as being morbidly obese(BMI of 41), I've been maintaining a stead 100mi per week for at the past four months, and have had no problems maintaining a sustained heart rate over 160 for nearly a half an hour. If I was going to have a coronary, I'd probably already be dead.

Panic 07-31-06 04:40 PM

John,

I had numbness last year in my index finger of my right hand. I got it from my first ride on a very busy street where I kept a death lock grip on the hoods.

I tried accupuncture (I can't spell) and that helped a lot. It was a whim, but I'd do it again.

New gloves, Spencos are very good. I also have a pair from Performance for short rides.

Change your grip often. Shake your hands, and ride with no hands when its safe.

Going to a doctor was my first step, and I got no satisfaction, so that's why I went with needle sticking.

Good luck.

dekalbSTEEL 07-31-06 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Panic
I tried accupuncture (I can't spell) and that helped a lot.

I didn't know acupuncture was a remedy for bad spelling!:D

WithanF 07-31-06 06:36 PM

The problem could be in your neck, at C8. See a doc. It may not be your hands or elbow.

GuitarWizard 07-31-06 06:48 PM

Proper bike fit works wonders as well, but if you're that heavy and not really able to hold yourself up without resting a lot of weight on your hands, then it's a catch 22.....I'll echo what others have said and say to go check it out with a Doctor. If you have insurance, it can't hurt to do so....

42x16 07-31-06 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by john bono
I did a metric century yesterday, and on the way home, I felt some numbness in my hands which has still not gone away as of today. The numbness runs from the heel of my left palm up to the pinkie finger, and on the ring finger a bit as well.

Anyone else experience this? Will it go away in time, or should I get it looked at?

Before you go to the doctor go to your bike shop and have them do a professional fitting to see that your set up is right. If after that you still have an issue after a long rode go see a doctor.

MillCreek 07-31-06 09:06 PM

I suspect this is a case of ulnar neuropathy. Do a Google for this phrase, and you will find a number of articles, including the one mentioned above, or you can search in Medline. I have had this. Using Specialized BG gloves, raising the bars a bit and taking care to vary my hand position periodically worked wonders.

john bono 08-01-06 12:16 PM

Update:

I did a short ride today (10 miles) and paid close attention to where my hands are when I ride. First off, I noticed that my elbows aren't entirely locked. They're extended, but not fully locked out(About 70 to 80% locked). As far as my hand position is concerned, it's a bit more complicated, but here goes:

http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/2...tiongb3.th.jpg

I would say about 60% of the time when I'm riding, my hands are at position 2 on the left side, and position 2 and 3 on the right, because I tend to shift a lot. I don't tend to grip the bars much, mainly resting my palms on the top The gel padding is almost entirely squished on the left side(the numb side). My hands tend to drift towards the pack of #2 when I climb, and towards the front on flats/mild descents. On windy days/steep descents, I tend to be on the drops(the tan circle). On a descent I keep my hands on the brake levers, when I'm riding into the wind I grip the bottom part of the drops.

Position 1(purple) I use the least, only when I am doing a short steep climb, or approaching an intersection after I've already shifted to the right gear to accelerate away after the light changes. I use those brake levers so rarely now that I'm thinking about removing them entirely, or maybe transferring them to a set of aero bars I'm planning on installing(if possible).

As far as the numbness is concerned, I've been taking Advil, and that seems to have helped a bit. I think going forward, I'm going to have to change the bar tape, or put some type of padding under the bar tape to improve the cushioning. I'll be on a 3 week hiatus from biking because I'll be in a training class, so my hand will have time to heal in the interim, but after that, I'm looking to do very long ride by Labor Day, so I'd like to be able to be able to fix it on a permanent basis.

donrhummy 08-01-06 12:27 PM

I've gotten it alot too and I found it was caused by putting my hands on the outer curve of the handlebars (there the tops transition into the hoods). Now I only use the tops or hoods straight-on and it's been MUCH better since then.

donrhummy 08-01-06 12:29 PM


Originally Posted by john bono
I would say about 60% of the time when I'm riding, my hands are at position 2 on the left side, and position 2 and 3 on the right, because I tend to shift a lot.

OH! Yes, I just saw your post/image. It's position 2 that causes it!! Stay away from there. I was getting huge numbness too and when i showed a bike-fitter where I held the bar, he told me to stay away from there...and voila, the numbness went away!

Ostuni 08-01-06 06:56 PM


Originally Posted by john bono
...should I get it looked at?

yes. numbness on a long ride happens, but lasting numbness suggests another issue going on that the cycling is aggravating?

pgoat 08-01-06 09:13 PM

I've had bouts of this as well. Got checked out by a neurologist and was pronounced ok.

My feeling is mine was caused by a combo of:

bars too low, poor hip flex and core strength causing arms to lock and hold my (over)weight up.


I actually get MORE problems with thickly gel padded gloved like Specialized BG, so for me it's lightly padded old school gloves, but I use two rolls of Cinelli cork tape (no gel) and watch the death grip and shift hands frequently. I've been much better since. Yoga has helped with trunk support and hip flex.


I think for me, firm padding is better for avoiding numbness - same as with a saddle. But you have to get checked out by a doc and go with what works for you. good luck and let us know how you make out


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