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USAToday, Landis Fires Back

Old 08-07-06, 02:44 PM
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USAToday, Landis Fires Back

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/cycli...s-retort_x.htm
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Watched the Interview this morning on Good Morning America.

"I've been catching a lot of grief in the press: 'Floyd has a new excuse, a new reason for what happened.' This is a situation where I'm forced to defend myself in the media. It would never have happened if UCI and WADA had followed their own rules," Landis said.
And he (or lawyers, PR guys, etc) certainly came up with a few interesting ones...

Overall it was an interesting interview. If some of what he says about the test are true, then I still don't know what to believe. I do believe one thing, he's tarnished forever in the eyes of many cyclists worldwide. And for another, that Lab needs to do some house cleaning if they can't keep leaks from squeeling to the press every 20minutes.
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"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia. I was tested eight times at the Tour (de France); four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests. Only one came back positive."
"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."

hm... wise words from a wise man.
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I am one prone to be moved more by the sound the of a human voice, than a text message or leak from a lab.

Resurgance of "Free Floyd" going on in my mind.
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Originally Posted by ckellingc
"I put in more than 20,000 kilometers of training for the Tour. I won the Tour of California, Paris-Nice and the Tour de Georgia. I was tested eight times at the Tour (de France); four times before that stage and three times after, including three blood tests. Only one came back positive."
"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."

hm... wise words from a wise man.
Exactly, which is what I said in two other threads. FINALLY it comes out that, indeed, he tested clean AFTER the test in question.

This smells like so much BS...

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Old 08-07-06, 03:09 PM
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Nobody in their right mind would ride a bicycle race around France for the month of July, either.

The audio is moving, to be sure, but I would like to see what evidence to the contrary of the test results he's going to pull out.
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Originally Posted by roadwarrior
Exactly, which is what I said in tow other threads. FINALLY it comes out that, indeed, he tested clean AFTER the tests.

This smells like so much BS...
I don't think that's exactly right. The other tests did not have an elevated T/E ratio (beyond the "red flag" 4:1 limit), therefore the secondary test, for synthetic testosterone, was not performed on them. As part of his defense, we should see him request that those other samples be tested for synthetic testo.
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How would you guys like to explain the finding of synthetic testosterone in his test. Synthetic T has less carbon isopropes than the kind your body produces : )
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Originally Posted by brianallan
How would you guys like to explain the finding of synthetic testosterone in his test. Synthetic T has less carbon isopropes than the kind your body produces : )
I wouldnt like to explain it. I am sure Floyd doesnt like having to explain it either. In the end, there will be an explanation though. Who believes the explanation will vary.
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Originally Posted by brianallan
How would you guys like to explain the finding of synthetic testosterone in his test. Synthetic T has less carbon isopropes than the kind your body produces : )
I wouldn't like to explain. There's not much to explain. Landis was caught red-handed and now it's time for him and his team to face the muzak.
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Free Floyd T-Shirts? I can all ready hear guys digging out there old screen printing T-Shirt presses.
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Flandis is every bit as clean as onenut
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The same lab did do both tests didn't they? Why would they not use two different labs for test A and B?

And about the same time this all started the state department started changing the menus (that means menus at military bases, pentagon, etc.) to read French Fries again instead of freadom fries. Also French and American relations are warming likey due to the American Gov't realizing that we do need more alies if we intend to contiue to be a prescence in the Middle East. Floyd just got caught in the middle.
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It is pretty clear that his sample was tampered with. How many people handled the sample after he made the donation? How was it transported. Are these organizations that facilitate the testing any more moral and ethical than these riders? I think not. Lets see, he lost his yellow jersey while pretty much being humilitated as rider after rider rode by him like he was standing still, went back to his hotel, drowned his sorrows with a few drinks and then came up with the brilliant idea to put a patch on his nut because that would help him win a stage that he knew he had to win, also knowing he would get tested if he did win,
possibly throwing away his career in the process. And of course every test before and after was negative.
Just seems a little strange. Oh yeah and not a single test before during or after the TDF comes back negative, only the American winner.
Someone call McGarret- "Book em Dano"

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Whenever I hear a cyclist getting caught and it doesn't seem to make sense (same thing with Tyler: someone else's blood? WTF? Why would he do that??) in terms of doping, I tend to look at it in terms of a doping mistake.

Tyler got someone else's blood by accident while trying to blood pack. The test results didn't make sense in view of a larger doping strategy unless you realise it was a screwup.

If Floyd was blood packing after stage 17 and used a load of red blood cells from the offseason when he was juicing with testosterone, all the pieces fall into place.
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Originally Posted by brianallan
How would you guys like to explain the finding of synthetic testosterone in his test. Synthetic T has less carbon isopropes than the kind your body produces : )
they didn't. They found that some of the testosterone in his urine had less carbon-13 than the usual testosterone found in a "normal" person's urine. That is INTERPRETED as meaning there's synthetic testosterone, but it's not a guarantee. BTW, testosterone from soy has less carbon-13 than that of many other forms. (But I have no idea if eating/ingesting soy will result in that being in your urine)

NOTE: I'm not saying it's not a reliable test - I'm not sure either way - but in the end it is an interpretation only.
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Originally Posted by donrhummy
they didn't. They found that some of the testosterone in his urine had less carbon-13 than the usual testosterone found in a "normal" person's urine. That is INTERPRETED as meaning there's synthetic testosterone, but it's not a guarantee. BTW, testosterone from soy has less carbon-13 than that of many other forms. (But I have no idea if eating/ingesting soy will result in that being in your urine)

NOTE: I'm not saying it's not a reliable test - I'm not sure either way - but in the end it is an interpretation only.
I would think these tests on carbon 13 and testosterone in general are based on hard evidential findings. Everything about these tests come back to a number, a hard number that was found and is fact, like it or not. Interpretation would mean that one lab tech would see the test one way and another lab tech something else - like an ink blot.
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Originally Posted by Kenal0
It is pretty clear that his sample was tampered with. How many people handled the sample after he made the donation? How was it transported. Are these organizations that facilitate the testing any more moral and ethical than these riders? I think not. Lets see, he lost his yellow jersey while pretty much being humilitated as rider after rider rode by him like he was standing still, went back to his hotel, drowned his sorrows with a few drinks and then came up with the brilliant idea to put a patch on his nut because that would help him win a stage that he knew he had to win, also knowing he would get tested if he did win,
possibly throwing away his career in the process. And of course every test before and after was negative.
Just seems a little strange. Oh yeah and not a single test before during or after the TDF comes back negative, only the American winner.
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It's hard to buy into the tampering theory. He pisses into two cups. They're sealed before and after. They're marked with numbers, not the athlete's name. It's quite unlikely that he'd have the exact same amount in each cup. Someone attempting to tamper with them would have to:
a) know which cup belonged to Landis
b) have put the *exact* right amount into each cup to get the ratios to agree between the A & B

Unlikely at best.

Now, "tampering" before it went into the cups? Sure. It's called doping. I can't see what the motivation of an anonymous lab or testing employee would be to mess with a sample. Put their own carreer on the line for zero gain? Come on. But I can see a lot of motivation for an athlete to engage in illegal doping. Put their career on the line for the ultimate win? Sure. That makes a lot more sense.
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Originally Posted by iluvfreebeer
Flandis is every bit as clean as onenut
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none of this really matters, a doctor sitting on the board of the WADA explained on the radio this morning that all that the WADA cares about is that he tested for having dope in his system and that test was backed up by a B sample, you are responsible for what is in your body whether or not you knowingly doped or not, and really all he could do now is somehow convince whoever hands down his ban to reduce it from the usual two year ban by proving that he did not knowingly dope. The only thing that could get him off the hook is if someone from the lab proved all the *********/phlandis lover's conspiracy theory right by admitting that they tampered with the samples and id say there is a snowball's chance in hell of that ever occuring.
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Originally Posted by 'nother
As part of his defense, we should see him request that those other samples be tested for synthetic testo.
I have the correct Powerball numbers for the second draw date in December of next year.

What are the odds on either of the above being true?
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Originally Posted by webist
I have the correct Powerball numbers for the second draw date in December of next year.

What are the odds on either of the above being true?
Exactly my point

(hey what's your phone # I gotta call you for those numbers!)
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Originally Posted by ckellingc
"Nobody in their right mind would take testosterone just once; it doesn't work that way."
But someone who just bonked the day before, someone who was a favorite to win, someone who had to save face, someone who could make their mark in cycling history before undergoing surgery just might do whatever they could so as not to lose.

Remember, these guys are at the highest end of the sport. Just like any other athlete at or near the pinnicle, they'll do what they can to get the edge over their foes.

It isn't a coincidence that they DIDN'T find a problem with his other TdF tests, only the one that put him back on track to win the tour.

I'm afraid I've seen way too many excuses from athletes representing most sports to give him the benefit of doubt. Since I'm not on his jury I CAN presume him guilty until proven innocent.

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