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I can never go out for an easy ride (childish

Old 08-11-06, 06:07 AM
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I can never go out for an easy ride (childish

Last night I intended and - continued to tell my self - to go out for a few easy miles. At first all was good; I kept my pace easy, my cadence light, and my heart rate low. “Take it easy, dummy. No need to kill yourself. Wait ‘til Saturday.” My mind was telling me different. I had this urge to kill it because my legs felt good and strong. But I’m looking forward to riding with the group on Saturday and I want to leave some life for it. Sometimes these group rides can be brutal on an old man, like me.

But what happens? I get to a downhill, curvy road with cars hesitant to pass and lo and behold I see one of those speed detector things ahead … and it appears to be registering my speed. Heck, my Cateye is in sync with it. So what do I do? See how fast I can get thing up to. 32 … 34 …. 38 …. 40 …. 44 ( Now remember, I’m going downhill. This wouldn’t be happening otherwise.)

Well, after that my ride was on. I didn’t ease up until I pulled into my driveway. And this morning my legs ache. It’s a good ache from a great ride, but I fear I have nothing left for tomorrow. Oh well.

And just to add: I’m not real certain this speed detector was detecting me or the car on my hinder but it was fun none the less.

Are some of like this as well? Always an initial intent to keep it easy but within a few miles your trying to kill it.
It's always when I'm alone.
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Old 08-11-06, 06:23 AM
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Rest assured that you are not alone! I just told my wife the other day that I have a personal problem. She looked a bit nervous until I confessed that I'm a closet speed junky and am unable to ride at a moderate pace. Just like you, I'll be on a recovery ride or the day before a long ride and I'll literally tell myself, "hey, slow down dummy!" as I'm giving her all I got. I think my problem is that I tend to ride the same routes and I know very well what my best times/average speeds are for those routes. I'm pretty competitive, so I can't let myself come in at a slower pace than last time. I know it's ridiculous and doing more harm than good, but that's me. I finally came to peace with it and decided that if my legs are up for it, then away we go!
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Actually, this can be both a good way and a bad way to train. Going fast when you feel like it can make you stronger. There's even a name for it, fartlek. However, if you always go fast, and don't do recovery rides, you'll actually limit your improvement.
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That machine was actually also taking your picture.
The ticket will be coming in the mail to you shortly.
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I have the same speed need, but I learned long ago that Sunday's races will be easier if Monday's rides are easier.
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I too have that problem, last night I started with my usual thurs group ride, I told my self I have a couple races this weekend and I will stay in the back for a bit then pull out and ride alone for a little. Sure enough we were only a few miles into the ride and I was in the front pulling the group and racing the skinny hill climber up the first few hills. After 10 miles I got my senses and told the guys I was slowing down and taking it easy the rest of the way. Which I did until I came a big long hill I wasn't going to climb but my bike turned by itself and I was climbing that long hill.

I try to get in 1 easy ride a week and know that will benefit me but it's hard.
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Originally Posted by Hipcycler
That machine was actually also taking your picture.
The ticket will be coming in the mail to you shortly.
That picture will be framed!
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Two speeds..Stopped and Go-like-hell... I hear ya though, sometimes you simply want a light warming of the muscles then you pass that one person and...... Next thing you know you're dripping sweat, 175BPM at the front door.... what's a biker to do? It's a sickness I tell ya.
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Don't worry about the next ride, you will recover and your effort will not necessarily negatively effect you. Even if you are a little sore or tight at the start of the weekend group ride, you should loosen up within a few miles.

Big changes in fitness are not accomplished within the short time span of several days. And, contrary to what is commonly bandied about, I think it is very difficult for a part-time cyclist to over-train. Pro and high-level amateur cyclists are riding 6+ hours a day, 6 days a week. If you are training under 15 hours a week then ride hard every ride, unless you are really, really toasted.
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Friel says in his book that he dropped riders for this problem. If you don't give yourself time to recover you're performance will suffer for it.

I'm not saying I don't have the same problem...
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Originally Posted by galen_52657
Don't worry about the next ride, you will recover and your effort will not necessarily negatively effect you. Even if you are a little sore or tight at the start of the weekend group ride, you should loosen up within a few miles.

Big changes in fitness are not accomplished within the short time span of several days. And, contrary to what is commonly bandied about, I think it is very difficult for a part-time cyclist to over-train. Pro and high-level amateur cyclists are riding 6+ hours a day, 6 days a week. If you are training under 15 hours a week then ride hard every ride, unless you are really, really toasted.
I have the same problem. I'm not a racer, basically riding because I enjoy it and for fitness. I have done about 1500 miles this year. My speed and fitness is increasing and avg around 18.5 mph for 30 miles. I keep thinking about starting some interval training and using recovery rides, but then I think "what will that do to my stats I'm keeping." Competition with myself - tough to overcome.
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This is what a Cat1/Pro friend was talking about when he said "sometimes discipline trumps talent".
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Originally Posted by Granny
This is what a Cat1/Pro friend was talking about when he said "sometimes discipline trumps talent".
well put
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I have to say I'm the same way. It's a sickness... it even makes it more difficult riding with friends who are slower. I'm always trying to improve my average speed and pushing myself harder. I (like most of you probably) keep track of all my rides and stats in Excel and compare the previous times to look for even the slightest improvement. Man if I ever have a few extra hundred and get a PowerTap watch out!

I'm doing the Covered Bridge Metric Century and to keep myself in check I'm going to try to get pictures of everyone. If that means "racing", errr, riding ahead and then dropping to the back of the pack... so be it. At least I'll get a work out running back and forth through the group of us. If we all somehow manage to stay together then there going to have to tie a rope around me!
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same problem as most of the posters on this thread.

My biggest problem is if I see a cyclist in front of me no matter how far ahead, I just put my head down and hammer until I catch them or pass them.

There are too many times where it is a young guy, cyclist, I am 54 then we start racing each other and I go until I am blown out, or almost puking. kind of a 50-50 average on staying ahead, or getting passed
But oh is it fun especially when they look as if they have cycled for a while and I stay ahead and pass them.
Now yesterday it was extremely hot here in Texas, {103-105} hear index 107.I went for a ride and i did keep it slow, I was the only fool out there 23 miles at slow moderate pace.
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You can fix this by training harder you know.
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Originally Posted by galen_52657

And, contrary to what is commonly bandied about, I think it is very difficult for a part-time cyclist to over-train. Pro and high-level amateur cyclists are riding 6+ hours a day, 6 days a week. If you are training under 15 hours a week then ride hard every ride, unless you are really, really toasted.

I got to disagree with this. 1) if you ride hard all the time, then you don't actually ride hard enough on the days that you're supposed to really drill it. Instead you ride consistently somewhat hard, but never hard enough. 2) improvement comes from the rest after the training stimulus, not from the training. 3) when you calculate your training load, you have to also consider all the other stressors, mental and physical in your life. Professional cyclists ride, eat and sleep. They don't work 10 hour days, and then go try to train, and mow the grass, etc etc. 4) Professional cyclists do ride a ton, and are trained to withstand a greater training load. They can benefit from 6 hours a day 6 days a week because they're trained to do so, most of us aren't. 5) Professional cyclists also do recovery rides, they're not bombing it everyday. My coach rides for a domestic pro team, and he is always preaching rest and recovery.
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Originally Posted by psuaero
it even makes it more difficult riding with friends who are slower.
Actually, this sounds like a good way to do recovery rides. Ride with a slow friend and stick with them, even on the hills. Have your friend go at a pace that allows conversation and just talk the entire time.
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Originally Posted by merlinextraligh
I got to disagree with this. 1) if you ride hard all the time, then you don't actually ride hard enough on the days that you're supposed to really drill it. Instead you ride consistently somewhat hard, but never hard enough. 2) improvement comes from the rest after the training stimulus, not from the training. 3) when you calculate your training load, you have to also consider all the other stressors, mental and physical in your life. Professional cyclists ride, eat and sleep. They don't work 10 hour days, and then go try to train, and mow the grass, etc etc. 4) Professional cyclists do ride a ton, and are trained to withstand a greater training load. They can benefit from 6 hours a day 6 days a week because they're trained to do so, most of us aren't. 5) Professional cyclists also do recovery rides, they're not bombing it everyday. My coach rides for a domestic pro team, and he is always preaching rest and recovery.

Bingo - My rides on the weekends are so much more enjoyable because I feel better - not stressed from my workday and everything else I need to do during the week. I start stronger and finish stronger on the weekends. During the week (3 days of riding) I find that the first 5-10 miles are like a warmup. I know I'm hitting a plateau by not doing intervals or recovery rides once a week, but man, that would mess up my aforementioned Excel spreadsheet. I figure I'll start that stuff in September or just wait for winter and hit the Spinerval DVD's.
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like pretty much everyone else who rides a bike i have this problem as well. one thing i recently started doing that helps alot is to not allow myself to shift into the big chainring. it's a little easier to stay with your recovery ride if you have a steadfast rule like that- not even if you are going down a 20% grade will you shift into the big ring.
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It helps if you take the computer off for rides where you want to take it easy.
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Slower people...

I have the same problem, but being that I know the benefits of recovery in all endurance sports (I run cross country) I find it best to go ride w/ a buddy who is slower then myself and who will keep me from taking off. It has helped.
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I've done 2 recovery rides this week already.....in the past, I've ended up going too hard when I wasn't supposed to, but I've since learned to hold back and go easy. I just spin along and enjoy the ride.
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You should be more than enough recovered by Saturday. If not then you will need to bring some dicipline to your training days. Set some goals and see if you can achieve them. But if hammering when ever you feel like it is what you enjoy then dont feel bad about doing exactly that. If you are not training for races or epic rides does it really matter to you?
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Originally Posted by curiouskid55
You should be more than enough recovered by Saturday. If not then you will need to bring some dicipline to your training days. Set some goals and see if you can achieve them. But if hammering when ever you feel like it is what you enjoy then dont feel bad about doing exactly that. If you are not training for races or epic rides does it really matter to you?
zactly what I told myself...
felt bad that I wasn't riding a more structured 'training' program

but then there is the mirror. who am I kiddin? 57 and worried about 'peakin'? so I just go out and 'ride' now.
10 minutes into the ride I know what the legs have and I then decide what the 'head' wants.
turns out those 'easy' days, when the head is in the right place, happen more often than before.
last 2 races were 'nite before' decisions and sure enough, plenty room on raceday in the codgers' classes...

hey, you know you're gettin old when you find watchin birds, interestin
(but I still hammer the climbs once a week )
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