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Where are they made?

Old 08-23-06, 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Psimet2001
The fact that they are filled with foreign bikes...is just like a shop filled with foreign machines...
Interesting point.
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Old 08-23-06, 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ollo_ollo
My Torelli was advertised as "made in a small shop in Italy" & a few weeks after purchase, I noticed a "made in San Marino" sticker! Huh?? I checked into this & found San Marino is a small principality surrounded by Italy, they speak Italian, are Catholic & use Italian currency so I'm OK with the "made in Italy" advertising, probably some tax advantages or lower labor rate is involved. Don
Yeah, you don't need to feel sorry for the citizens of San Marino, it's one of the most beautiful places on earth. It's an independant state and benefits from being surrounded by Italy but without paying homage to Italy. We did a bike tour there in May following the Giro d'Italia around.

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China's problems aren't going to be easy to change...they've to change slowly. China has ~1.5 billion people. If we've that many people in the US, you think you can maintain such high salaries and cost of living? You think you can by choosey in what you do in terms of work? You do what you need to do to survive. Guess what happens to these people in China when there is NO job? Chances are they will have to steal to survive. Yes, job conditions are lousy (particularly for those with little or not education), but at least they have an opportunity to move up from poverty. Resources are limited, just because you're used to this high standard of living, doesn't mean the Chinese doesn't appreciate the lower standard of living, because chances are it's better than what they had.
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Originally Posted by burbankbiker
Actually you're exactly right. I didn't buy one of those yellow bracelets precisely because they were made in China.

If buying a yellow bracelet made in china and manufactured in a country with environmental policies which contribute to cancer is the only way you know how to benefit children all over the world, I guess you should buy the bracelet.

Me? I made a donation to a cancer charity and cut my LONG hair after 14 years so that children undergoing chemo could get a quality human-hair wig. And I didn't need any yellow bracelet to advertise to the world that I cared enough about cancer to spend 3 bucks on it.

Those yellow bracelets to me jumped the shark when politicians wore them as supplementals to their American flag pin in an effort to one-up their opponent in both patriotism and altruism.

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Originally Posted by maddyfish
As far as bikes go, my neighbor's kids China bikes fall apart after every ride, that's all I need to know about Chinese manufacturing.
I grew up down the street from a Japanese family, the father was an ***hole. I guess that's all I need to know about Japanese people?
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Old 08-23-06, 05:43 PM
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Oh dear God......................Dont' Buy from China......buy from China! Give me a damn break! To say I don't buy from them and then those who do support slavery. Geez Oh' Freaking Pete what a bunch of bull$hhhitttt!

Every damn country in the world has dman slave labor. We her ein the US are bound by low wages for jobs that no one wants just because we have to attempt to put food on the damn table for our families! So don't hand me that crap about China being the only place that does this. I won't rant any further for I might get carried away!
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Old 08-23-06, 06:58 PM
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Back to the OP:
Bianchi Reparto Corse - made in Italy, other models made in Taiwan.
Fondriest - all models made in Italy, even the carbon fiber frames. Crazy paint jobs if you want it.
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Originally Posted by miked528
what about Fuji and Jamis? Where are they made?
Fuji is a Japanese brand with bikes made in Taiwan. Jamis has their headquarters in NJ and their bikes are also made in Taiwan.
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I'm pretty picky about the origin of products I buy. Mostly, I try to avoid buying products made under oppressive regimes. Sometimes it can't be helped, though. After all, I do ride a Litespeed.
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Originally Posted by CastIron
It's WHERE.

GOD THAT BOTHERS THE CRAP OUT OF ME!!!

Where - were

There - Their


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Originally Posted by burbankbiker
manufactured in a country with environmental policies which contribute to cancer is the only way you know how to benefit children all over the world, I guess you should buy the bracelet.

This is getting into P&R territory here, but... are you serious ? Do you boycott US made products for the same reasons ?
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Old 08-24-06, 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by maddyfish
I don't buy ANYTHING from China, ever. Yes, it makes it difficult, and I have not been into a Wal-Mart since Sam Walton died, but since visiting China in the 1980's, and seeing how the people there are virtual slaves, I have boycotted them.

As far as bikes go, my neighbor's kids China bikes fall apart after every ride, that's all I need to know about Chinese manufacturing.
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Originally Posted by lennon2600
Fuji is a Japanese brand with bikes made in Taiwan. Jamis has their headquarters in NJ and their bikes are also made in Taiwan.
Many (if not most) Jamis bikes are made in China, including some that are surpringly (to me) expensive.
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Mine was hand made by the elves in Santa's factory at the north pole....excellent craftsmanship!
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Originally Posted by Dewbert
Mine was hand made by the elves in Santa's factory at the north pole....excellent craftsmanship!
We looked at outsourcing some items there, but their labor rates were just not competitive. Not to menton all of the quality problems - glitter in every nook. They always claimed it was magic pixie dust.
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Originally Posted by R900
Yes, it matters to me. Our kids bikes were made overseas, but all our other bikes have US or Italian built frames (except our Fuji tandem). Good frames can be made anywhere, but I like supporting manufacturing in the USA and Italy, and always look for where it was made when shopping.

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Why Italy? It's okay with you if someone in Italy gets paid but not someone in Asia? I would bet the worker in Asia needs the paycheck more than the Italian.
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Originally Posted by DamianM

This is getting into P&R territory here, but... are you serious ? Do you boycott US made products for the same reasons ?
Yeah... we're on a P&R slide. I'll keep my answer short so as not to ignore your question. The answer is "sometimes." Boycott is a charged word but I tend to try and choose products and companies with some effort towards limiting their carcinogenic byproducts. But that's a whole other discussion... The original point I was making was that we can debate labor standards and environmental standards until the cows come home but buying products made in China economically supports a communist dictator who's not a nice guy. That's where I get the heebie jeebies.
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