When Carbon Fibre Fails...
08-23-06, 09:34 PM
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When Carbon Fibre Fails...
Not a bike, but simular application.
I am not really afraid of high end carbon fibre, but after a very small fall, I have my reservations.
This is an oboe, a buffet greenline, which is carbon fibre doped with grenilda wood for resonance (it costs about 5500.00). During rehersal a individual hit my case, which caused the oboe to fall about 6 inches flat... and at the weakest point the CF body failed, no crack, just straight catastropic failure. Grusome photos...
The instrument is on its way to one of the best greenline oboe repair person in the USA, where a new tenion will be added (about a 300 dollar repair)...
Just thought you would be interested...
Mandy
I am not really afraid of high end carbon fibre, but after a very small fall, I have my reservations.
This is an oboe, a buffet greenline, which is carbon fibre doped with grenilda wood for resonance (it costs about 5500.00). During rehersal a individual hit my case, which caused the oboe to fall about 6 inches flat... and at the weakest point the CF body failed, no crack, just straight catastropic failure. Grusome photos...
The instrument is on its way to one of the best greenline oboe repair person in the USA, where a new tenion will be added (about a 300 dollar repair)...
Just thought you would be interested...
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Showing what can happen when even small impacts happen to CF... what CAN happen... but not what will happen...
For discussion.
For discussion.
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Woah, how much weight does the CF save? CF is negative weight, you know 
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Cf is for crack prevention, a major and common problem with wood professonal oboes, english horns, and clarinets... the sound is very simular to wood, but no issues with humidity and very little with temperature.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
Showing what can happen when even small impacts happen to CF... what CAN happen... but not what will happen...
For discussion.
For discussion.
08-23-06, 09:52 PM
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apparently carbonites are wayyyyyy to serious to even fathom that it may be prone to breaking. ever.
Sorry to hear about your oboe. If that happened to my prized (although much less expensive) guitar, i'd throw a fit.
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Sorry to hear about your oboe. If that happened to my prized (although much less expensive) guitar, i'd throw a fit.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
Showing what can happen when even small impacts happen to CF... what CAN happen... but not what will happen...
For discussion.
For discussion.
And if you're not, go try riding your wood oboe down a hill at 50 MPH. At some point the design parameters and differences between a musical instrument and a bicycle component will become somewhat evident.
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No no trolling, just trying to get into the exact discussion that you just brought up...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
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Originally Posted by my58vw
No no trolling, just trying to get into the exact discussion that you just brought up...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
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Ow ow ow!!! OUCH! It hurts to look at your poor, damaged baby. I tried one of those Greenlines when they were just coming out, IIRC, at an IDRS conference years ago. I was sufficiently impressed, but I'll stick to my rosewood Laubin, thanks. 
Hmmm, a rosewood bike, though... yikes! (like that bamboo bike posted here before)
Hmmm, a rosewood bike, though... yikes! (like that bamboo bike posted here before)
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ACTUALLY
that isnt Carbon Fiber. Its Resin with carbon powder. Its a BIG difference. BUT I get your point as well.
that isnt Carbon Fiber. Its Resin with carbon powder. Its a BIG difference. BUT I get your point as well.
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If you could blow hard enough to cause damage, then I would call it a legitimate failure. Just like I would call it a legitimate failure, if you could pedal hard enough to snap a carbon frame in half.
Oboes weren't made to survive being dropped.
Just as bikes aren't made for surviving head-on collisions at 20mph.
P.S. Sorry to here about your oboe.
Oboes weren't made to survive being dropped.
Just as bikes aren't made for surviving head-on collisions at 20mph.
P.S. Sorry to here about your oboe.
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Originally Posted by mellowdave
ACTUALLY
that isnt Carbon Fiber. Its Resin with carbon powder. Its a BIG difference. BUT I get your point as well.
that isnt Carbon Fiber. Its Resin with carbon powder. Its a BIG difference. BUT I get your point as well.
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Originally Posted by my58vw
No no trolling, just trying to get into the exact discussion that you just brought up...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
Of course musical instruments are not built to the same breakage tollerances as bike frames...
CF is good enough for F1 to build most of the car out of and go 200 MPH at G forces that will pop your eyeballs. Ditto aluminum and CF in fighter jets and commercial aircraft. And it's used in body armor. Yet it's too risky or not good enough for people to use in a bike that gets ridden around at 15 MPH.
And it's all marketing. That's why some of the most expensive bikes out there are made of steel and ti.
Sheesh. You want to talk marketing? Getting people to drop $3k on something you could make in high school metal shop. That's marketing.
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^^^ But it says Vanilla!!! 
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Looks like a joint failed
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I was going to make some comment about the spelling of "Carbon Fibre", but if we're discussing it in the context of a $5500 Oboe I think "fibre" is more appropriate anyway...
Was it purchased at the Towne Oboe Shoppe?
I do find it amusing that people go nuts when I tell them I'm saving up for a $6000 bike when I think about musical instruments and, well, any other esoteric enthusiast item. The $6000 bike seems like a budget purchase...
Was it purchased at the Towne Oboe Shoppe?
I do find it amusing that people go nuts when I tell them I'm saving up for a $6000 bike when I think about musical instruments and, well, any other esoteric enthusiast item. The $6000 bike seems like a budget purchase...
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Originally Posted by DrPete
Was it purchased at the Towne Oboe Shoppe?
If it was fibre, you could send it to Calfee to fix... maybe out of bamboo or something.
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Originally Posted by bmike
Support your LOS! Don't buy Oboes online.
That Oboemecane Immortal Blow looks SWEET.
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Originally Posted by DrPete
I don't know, man, have you seen some of the deals at oboesdirect.com?
That Oboemecane Immortal Blow looks SWEET.
That Oboemecane Immortal Blow looks SWEET.