New Wheels - Williams Wheel Systems
 

Yes, another wheel thread, sorry :o
But I tried to search, even on Google and couldn't find any outside info on these wheels.

Does anyone here know anything about these wheels?

http://www.williamscycling.com/index...WPROD&ProdID=6

http://www.williamscycling.com/index...WPROD&ProdID=7

I have been looking for a set of lightweight clinchers for training and for crits (I use carbon Tubulars for road races). I have considered the Ksyrium SL, and the Am Classic 350, but these wheels look like they may be a good buy. At 1405g for the 19mm rim and 1455g for the 30mm rim they're among the lightest clinchers. I don't know much about spoke & hub quality, & how these compare to the others.

Thanks,

PM

30mm Niobium rim? I am guessing that is the same rim Mike Garcia is using and the low profile one is probably the same as the IRD rim. I would be concerned with the stiffness of these rims...a couple more spokes on each will only bring the weight up a tad but could really help the durability. Honestly given Mike's reputation and crash replacement policy I would get him to make virtually identical wheels with known hubs (his Speedcific hubs are good quality) and Wheelsmith spokes.

For crits and training I wouldn't be so concerned with weight but more with stiffness. The AC350 is not a crit wheel for sure.

http://oddsandendos.safeshopper.com/2/128.htm?608

Now you tell me. I guess I need to give back the case of microbrew, and the two things of Cytomax i got for taking those two primes.

Pizza weighs nothing, the AC's would be fine.

If you want to do-it-youself I built a set of wheels using AC hubs, and Ambrosio Excelite rims for <$400, they weight 1409g. 28h and pretty darn strong.

Another option is to check out Ebay for some Reynolds Alta MV. They are 30mm, low spoke count and are pretty tough (I used them at Cat's, Madera, and Snelling).

What is his crash replacement policy?

I didnt see a single picture of a wheel on that website? Are you guys discussing their merits based on their weight and their price alone??

He will rebuild the wheels for the cost of parts only...waives the labor.

His cost for parts, or yours? I didn't see any labor charges on his site... but he seems to charge very little for labor anyway if you base it off his selling price for parts.

And while I'm at it does anyone have info on the new Serenity hubs? Don't see anything on his site.

These questions I don't have answers to...I never crashed my wheels and haven't seen the Serenity hubs yet so....

Niobium 300 has a fairly deep section, while the Cadence is a low profile. I understand MG's mostly making use of the Velocity aero rim for his low profile wheels.

I've made 3 sets with the IRD Cadence rims, and yes. You do not want to build those with less than 32 spokes. A spoke count less than that would make vertical truing a problem as they're quite sensible for over tension, meaning they're far from stiff enough to use with a low spoke count. For the 300 I guess it could do with less spokes.

OOps that should be 30mm Niobium. Yea mike uses mostly the DT Swiss RR1.1 and the Velocity Aerohead for his lower section wheels but he does also offer the IRD Cadance (well not under that name but I woul dbet it is the same rim just like the original post) rim by request.

Well the photos are up today and they look nice....hubs look pretty cool...would be interesting to hear what the quality is. Still I avoid lower spoke count wheels in general but I suppose if you are lighter they could be great.

Stay away from American Classic Sprint 350s
 

I am looking at the Williams wheels myself. Also, Neuvation http://www.neuvationcycling.com/ has some good deals right now on "overstock" sets. He has all different sets; lightweight, stout and stiff, etc. And they have reviewed well and he stands behind them. For $300 or less, I'll probably got with them.

:( I can tell you that I have been running the American Classic Sprint 350s for 2 years now and I can't wait to get rid of them. Not stiff at all, go out of true pretty frequently, squeaky as hell and the front rim has already had to be replaced under warranty. The only true redeeming quality of them is that they are very very light, but it heavily affects durability. I had to replace both front and back bearings sets after only 2000 miles because each right-side set was shot. Put some after market Boca bearings in and that seems to have solved bearing problem. Stay away from these wheels unless maybe you weigh 90 lbs and climb all day....

Its beyond me why more people don't consider the Mavic CXP-33. Strong, aero, light, and cheap. I have these rims with Hugi 240 hubs and, going on 4 years they are as true as they came on day one. And, I weigh 200 lbs. Never needed an adjustment. The ride is dictated by the tire, like it should be.

Perhaps it's long in the tooth and, for this reason falls out of favor with people searching for the latest hip wheels that they think are better but rarely are.

Wanted to check and see if anyone had purchased a set of wheels from Williams after this thread concluded back in September. I'm looking at their System 30, which uses bladed Pillar Spokes and the Speedcific (or KLM, etc.) Niobium 30 rim (I confirmed the rim type with a call to these folks this morning - nice guys).

My two concerns are the spoke count (16,20) and the hub, since I have no idea as to the hub smoothness or overall quality and durability. I'm about 145lbs at my heaviest so I believe the stiffness/strength issue around the spokes should be kosher.

I bent my front wheel soon after I got it. He rebuilt it with a new rim (Velocity Arrowhead) for $20.00.

Shayne

for a little more than $900, I'd rather get a set of the Reynolds KOM wheels... ~1000g for the complete set

These are the hubs Williams is using for their System 30... anyone familiar with these?

http://www.williamscycling.com/images/30hubs.jpg

I was the Guinea Pig with IRD's R1700 wheelset (review on BF), I'll let someone else be the rodent with these :rolleyes:.

lmao

Lighter=better for a crit for sure

350s aren't the best made or most durable, but they sure are light.

I just bought the Williams Cycling 30x wheels about 2 weeks ago.

http://williamscycling.com/index.asp...WPROD&ProdID=8

They look, feel and ride like Mavic Kysirum Elites. I am 200lbs, so I went with the beefier wheels for durability. I can tell you that they ride very nice, the hubs are SILENT and smooth. Spokes are stout and the hand build seems well done. They definitely have a quality feel to them. I am coming off of American Classic 350s which I had all kinds of problems (bearings and front rim) with and these things feel like a cadillac in comparison to the AM Classics ride. Durability is the only thing I can't comment on as I only have about 200+ miles on them, but we'll see. I'd really say go for the lighter 2 versions of wheels they have if you are under the 190lb weight limit. You can read up on all the difference or email Keith Williams direct. Good guy.

I just creamed my rear rim on a nasty pothole....
Wheel was bought just over a year ago.
Mike replaced rim, spokes, and nipples at his cost for the parts...no labor. I had to pay shipping.

Service was done promptly and cheerfully.

I'm going to add my two cents in here, not sure if its welcome.

but I would go for the ksryiums. I know they're kinda the honda accord of road bike wheels, but thats because they are darn good wheels. nearly bombproof, really stiff, and fairly light make them a good choice for crits and training.

Here you go
http://www.ktgroup.net/ROAD_A.htm

Resurrecting an old thread here, but CyclingNews reviews the Wheel System 30. Granted I've never seen a scathing tech review at CN, so fwiw.

Anyone with direct experience with these have any follow-up comments? :)

I'm also considering these wheels... Anyone else have experience w/ the 30's?